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07-17-2024, 08:05 AM

#121

FlyPurdue

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Originally Posted by KnightNight

They can only bid out if they have a place to go, there weren’t many widebody openings. Mostly captains and I don’t see many bidding to 737….its interesting.

It looks like ~40 320 FOs bid out of their seat in 2411V. That is 40 going to other fleets, or upgrading. Does not seem like that is the full story of why 2411V2 has 125 320 FO vacancies.

07-17-2024, 08:49 AM

#122

KnightNight

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Originally Posted by FlyPurdue

It looks like ~40 320 FOs bid out of their seat in 2411V. That is 40 going to other fleets, or upgrading. Does not seem like that is the full story of why 2411V2 has 125 320 FO vacancies.

interesting, maybe it’s a secret till the 22-26 of July or July 18th earnings call ha

07-17-2024, 08:56 AM

#123

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Originally Posted by KnightNight

interesting, maybe it’s a secret till the 22-26 of July or July 18th earnings call ha

Definitely not the full story!

In Unity...

07-17-2024, 09:00 AM

#124

kevin18

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Originally Posted by FlyPurdue

It looks like ~40 320 FOs bid out of their seat in 2411V. That is 40 going to other fleets, or upgrading. Does not seem like that is the full story of why 2411V2 has 125 320 FO vacancies.

without CA vacancies I don’t really see it as anything significant.

07-17-2024, 09:17 AM

#125

drywhitetoast

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07-17-2024, 09:43 AM

#126

KnightNight

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Originally Posted by kevin18

without CA vacancies I don’t really see it as anything significant.

If an order is imminent the deliveries won’t be for a while unless there’s some white tails or from a lessor. The numbers don’t add up for short term fix to staffing imo

07-17-2024, 10:09 AM

#127

F15andMD11

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Originally Posted by JohnDeSpacito

What is the biggest difference between the type of flying on the 737 vs 320?...

The biggest difference is that the 737 is ETOPS capable and the 320 is not. All the over water destinations, the Caribbean islands, CUN, HI are all serviced by the 737. You want international flying on the 320, that's Canada, Mexico City and probably SJD.

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I heard that the 320 is the "workhorse"? So more legs and shorter hops than the 737, is that really the case?

Yes! Similarites are both aircraft do transcons.

07-17-2024, 12:56 PM

#128

Excargodog

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Originally Posted by KnightNight

If an order is imminent the deliveries won’t be for a while unless there’s some white tails or from a lessor. The numbers don’t add up for short term fix to staffing imo

NK and ( I believe) F9 have deferred some aircraft that were due for delivery in the next few years. Those slots have sort of become de facto white tails.

https://www.airwaysmag.com/new-post/...itial%20period.

07-17-2024, 06:27 PM

#129

Chimpy

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Originally Posted by Excargodog

dumb question but what do you mean by "White Tails", basically up for grabs?

07-17-2024, 06:43 PM

#130

Excargodog

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Originally Posted by Chimpy

dumb question but what do you mean by "White Tails", basically up for grabs?

They were in the production line but have now lost their original buyers due to cancellation or deferral of orders. "White tail" because no livery paint job.