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Old 06-30-2024, 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by JackReacher
Exactly. We’re not going to Mars, not going to the Moon, in fact we’re not even going into orbit. We’re just going to Des Moines. Don’t make it more complicated than it needs to be.
Meeting at the FPA is more complicated?

Sometimes on early shows where the jet isn’t close to the FPA I’ll text and say let’s plan to meet at the gate. But overall I think meeting at the FPA is more conducive to meeting someone for the first time and actually being able to have a conversation.

The default should be the FPA and honestly if the FO wants to meet at the jet and texts me before hand, no problem.
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Old 06-30-2024, 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Turbosina
This.

Although, I don't mind the background question, I often asked it myself when I was a CA..."So, whatcha do before you came here?" Just kinda helps get a conversation going and helps you learn about the person.

To answer the OP...

A few classic red flags (all of which I have experienced personally) are as follows. I will say: all but one of these happened while I was at my former employer, and not UAL.

• First words out of his mouth are something along the lines of "Since I'm a check airman / management pilot / former squadron commander/ ..."
• "I'm not racist, but..."
• "I'm real laid back"
• Wears the hat IN the flight deck. Extra bonus points if the headset is worn over the hat (actually saw this happen once)
• "I just talked to the CEO the other day and he told me in confidence..." / and so forth
• Custom bag tag with bird col. insignia
• Brief takes longer than the flight
• Asks to inspect your pilot cert and medical (no, not while you're jumpseating....I mean when you show up to operate the flight)
• Rude to the FAs, ground crew, cleaners, etc
• Refuses to tip the van driver. "I don't get tips for doing my job, why should he?"
• Tells you your SOP-dictated technique is all wrong and insists you do it his way because that's how they did it at his previous airline
• Expects you to do the entire preflight (walkaround, box, clearance, flows, literally everything) and absolutely refuses to do anything aside from sitting there scrolling through pics of his boat / lake house / 'Vette / fourth wife/ etc
Agree with a lot but if you’re flying with me you’ll be doing the box and walk arounds every leg. For six-figure professional it’s not that torturous. I’ll do my own flows. I’ve spent twice as much time in the right seat as most new hires total time. I’m taking a break.
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Old 06-30-2024, 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Knotcher
Agree with a lot but if you’re flying with me you’ll be doing the box and walk arounds every leg. For six-figure professional it’s not that torturous. I’ll do my own flows. I’ve spent twice as much time in the right seat as most new hires total time. I’m taking a break.
Aww, sorry about 67!
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Old 06-30-2024, 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Knotcher
Agree with a lot but if you’re flying with me you’ll be doing the box and walk arounds every leg. For six-figure professional it’s not that torturous. I’ll do my own flows. I’ve spent twice as much time in the right seat as most new hires total time. I’m taking a break.
Bully for you.

Excellent leadership by example.

Hope you are not a mentor. /S
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Old 06-30-2024, 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by blizzue
Meeting at the FPA is more complicated?

Sometimes on early shows where the jet isn’t close to the FPA I’ll text and say let’s plan to meet at the gate. But overall I think meeting at the FPA is more conducive to meeting someone for the first time and actually being able to have a conversation.

The default should be the FPA and honestly if the FO wants to meet at the jet and texts me before hand, no problem.
Conversation about what?

"So, you got kids?"
"Yup"
"Cool, let's go to the gate".

Instead you could have that same conversation while you're bored in cruise over the following 4 days.
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Old 06-30-2024, 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Knotcher
Agree with a lot but if you’re flying with me you’ll be doing the box and walk arounds every leg. For six-figure professional it’s not that torturous. I’ll do my own flows. I’ve spent twice as much time in the right seat as most new hires total time. I’m taking a break.
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Old 06-30-2024, 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Broncofan
I agree with most of what you said. However I don’t mind the whole gate vs FPA thing. The book says FPA unless directed otherwise from the CA so that’s just what I expect. Not a red flag.
This is a thing? Why would you not meet at the airplane?
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Old 06-30-2024, 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Knotcher
I’ll do my own flows.
Oh wow, thanks so much.

Originally Posted by Knotcher
I’ve spent twice as much time in the right seat as most new hires total time.
And with those who also have a lot of experience? Oh right, you still sit there and breathe through your mouth.


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I’m taking a break.
It's not that torturous, what do you need a break from?
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Old 06-30-2024, 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by blizzue
Meeting at the FPA is more complicated?

Sometimes on early shows where the jet isn’t close to the FPA I’ll text and say let’s plan to meet at the gate. But overall I think meeting at the FPA is more conducive to meeting someone for the first time and actually being able to have a conversation.

The default should be the FPA and honestly if the FO wants to meet at the jet and texts me before hand, no problem.
nothing better than a 0600 departure in ORD and having to go to C19 only to hear “fuel look good to you?” Then walk to E16 for your departure. #nowayFPA
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Old 06-30-2024, 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by ClappedOut145
nothing better than a 0600 departure in ORD and having to go to C19 only to hear “fuel look good to you?” Then walk to E16 for your departure. #nowayFPA
^^^^this^^^^ domestic un augmented flights… yeah no let’s meet at the jet. Augmented flights… required to call dispatcher… let’s meet at nearest FPA the 3 or 4 of us can hear the same info and agree on the plan.
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