To all you Effo’s
#21
Sometimes on early shows where the jet isn’t close to the FPA I’ll text and say let’s plan to meet at the gate. But overall I think meeting at the FPA is more conducive to meeting someone for the first time and actually being able to have a conversation.
The default should be the FPA and honestly if the FO wants to meet at the jet and texts me before hand, no problem.
#22
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Joined APC: Sep 2012
Posts: 510
This.
Although, I don't mind the background question, I often asked it myself when I was a CA..."So, whatcha do before you came here?" Just kinda helps get a conversation going and helps you learn about the person.
To answer the OP...
A few classic red flags (all of which I have experienced personally) are as follows. I will say: all but one of these happened while I was at my former employer, and not UAL.
• First words out of his mouth are something along the lines of "Since I'm a check airman / management pilot / former squadron commander/ ..."
• "I'm not racist, but..."
• "I'm real laid back"
• Wears the hat IN the flight deck. Extra bonus points if the headset is worn over the hat (actually saw this happen once)
• "I just talked to the CEO the other day and he told me in confidence..." / and so forth
• Custom bag tag with bird col. insignia
• Brief takes longer than the flight
• Asks to inspect your pilot cert and medical (no, not while you're jumpseating....I mean when you show up to operate the flight)
• Rude to the FAs, ground crew, cleaners, etc
• Refuses to tip the van driver. "I don't get tips for doing my job, why should he?"
• Tells you your SOP-dictated technique is all wrong and insists you do it his way because that's how they did it at his previous airline
• Expects you to do the entire preflight (walkaround, box, clearance, flows, literally everything) and absolutely refuses to do anything aside from sitting there scrolling through pics of his boat / lake house / 'Vette / fourth wife/ etc
Although, I don't mind the background question, I often asked it myself when I was a CA..."So, whatcha do before you came here?" Just kinda helps get a conversation going and helps you learn about the person.
To answer the OP...
A few classic red flags (all of which I have experienced personally) are as follows. I will say: all but one of these happened while I was at my former employer, and not UAL.
• First words out of his mouth are something along the lines of "Since I'm a check airman / management pilot / former squadron commander/ ..."
• "I'm not racist, but..."
• "I'm real laid back"
• Wears the hat IN the flight deck. Extra bonus points if the headset is worn over the hat (actually saw this happen once)
• "I just talked to the CEO the other day and he told me in confidence..." / and so forth
• Custom bag tag with bird col. insignia
• Brief takes longer than the flight
• Asks to inspect your pilot cert and medical (no, not while you're jumpseating....I mean when you show up to operate the flight)
• Rude to the FAs, ground crew, cleaners, etc
• Refuses to tip the van driver. "I don't get tips for doing my job, why should he?"
• Tells you your SOP-dictated technique is all wrong and insists you do it his way because that's how they did it at his previous airline
• Expects you to do the entire preflight (walkaround, box, clearance, flows, literally everything) and absolutely refuses to do anything aside from sitting there scrolling through pics of his boat / lake house / 'Vette / fourth wife/ etc
#23
Agree with a lot but if you’re flying with me you’ll be doing the box and walk arounds every leg. For six-figure professional it’s not that torturous. I’ll do my own flows. I’ve spent twice as much time in the right seat as most new hires total time. I’m taking a break.
#24
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Joined APC: Dec 2018
Posts: 190
Agree with a lot but if you’re flying with me you’ll be doing the box and walk arounds every leg. For six-figure professional it’s not that torturous. I’ll do my own flows. I’ve spent twice as much time in the right seat as most new hires total time. I’m taking a break.
Excellent leadership by example.
Hope you are not a mentor. /S
#25
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Joined APC: Oct 2021
Posts: 808
Meeting at the FPA is more complicated?
Sometimes on early shows where the jet isn’t close to the FPA I’ll text and say let’s plan to meet at the gate. But overall I think meeting at the FPA is more conducive to meeting someone for the first time and actually being able to have a conversation.
The default should be the FPA and honestly if the FO wants to meet at the jet and texts me before hand, no problem.
Sometimes on early shows where the jet isn’t close to the FPA I’ll text and say let’s plan to meet at the gate. But overall I think meeting at the FPA is more conducive to meeting someone for the first time and actually being able to have a conversation.
The default should be the FPA and honestly if the FO wants to meet at the jet and texts me before hand, no problem.
"So, you got kids?"
"Yup"
"Cool, let's go to the gate".
Instead you could have that same conversation while you're bored in cruise over the following 4 days.
#26
Don't Get Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2017
Position: Part 121
Posts: 194
Agree with a lot but if you’re flying with me you’ll be doing the box and walk arounds every leg. For six-figure professional it’s not that torturous. I’ll do my own flows. I’ve spent twice as much time in the right seat as most new hires total time. I’m taking a break.
Filler
#27
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Joined APC: Mar 2024
Posts: 281
#28
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Joined APC: Jan 2011
Posts: 618
Oh wow, thanks so much.
And with those who also have a lot of experience? Oh right, you still sit there and breathe through your mouth.
It's not that torturous, what do you need a break from?
It's not that torturous, what do you need a break from?
#29
Meeting at the FPA is more complicated?
Sometimes on early shows where the jet isn’t close to the FPA I’ll text and say let’s plan to meet at the gate. But overall I think meeting at the FPA is more conducive to meeting someone for the first time and actually being able to have a conversation.
The default should be the FPA and honestly if the FO wants to meet at the jet and texts me before hand, no problem.
Sometimes on early shows where the jet isn’t close to the FPA I’ll text and say let’s plan to meet at the gate. But overall I think meeting at the FPA is more conducive to meeting someone for the first time and actually being able to have a conversation.
The default should be the FPA and honestly if the FO wants to meet at the jet and texts me before hand, no problem.
#30
^^^^this^^^^ domestic un augmented flights… yeah no let’s meet at the jet. Augmented flights… required to call dispatcher… let’s meet at nearest FPA the 3 or 4 of us can hear the same info and agree on the plan.