To all you Effo’s
07-16-2024, 06:14 AM
#195
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While I understand the sentiment, the bigger picture is compliance and credibility. If the cap or fo starts the trip by blowing off the briefing point, they kinda lose the ability to be taken seriously if they decide to call out a deviation of their flying partner at a later time. Let’s get it changed if it’s archaic, but how bout at least attempting to do it as written in the mean time? One side of the pre merger house did it this way, while the other did not. That’s the real reason some won’t comply, because their way didn’t survive the merger, and they aren’t changing.
07-16-2024, 07:09 AM
#196
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While I understand the sentiment, the bigger picture is compliance and credibility. If the cap or fo starts the trip by blowing off the briefing point, they kinda lose the ability to be taken seriously if they decide to call out a deviation of their flying partner at a later time. Let’s get it changed if it’s archaic, but how bout at least attempting to do it as written in the mean time? One side of the pre merger house did it this way, while the other did not. That’s the real reason some won’t comply, because their way didn’t survive the merger, and they aren’t changing.
07-16-2024, 07:52 AM
#197
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While I understand the sentiment, the bigger picture is compliance and credibility. If the cap or fo starts the trip by blowing off the briefing point, they kinda lose the ability to be taken seriously if they decide to call out a deviation of their flying partner at a later time. Let’s get it changed if it’s archaic, but how bout at least attempting to do it as written in the mean time? One side of the pre merger house did it this way, while the other did not. That’s the real reason some won’t comply, because their way didn’t survive the merger, and they aren’t changing.
CA's: If you prefer an alternate location for the brief, not only is mandatory to notify the FO, failure to do so is extremely rude to the person that you're going to be cooped up with for the next few days.
FO's: If the captain doesn't designate an alternate site, you are required to be in the appropriate FPA at report time. Since many captains fail to both notify the FO and report to the FPA, send them a text or email asking where they want to meet. If they fail to respond, go to the FPA, wait for them, and then get to the plane later. If they ask where you were, tell them that you were complying with the FOM.
CA & FO: only the location of the brief can be changed. Regardless of where the captain designates that take place, both pilots are required to be there 1 hr prior. Showing up 30-45 minutes prior on the first trip is not SOP compliant.
07-16-2024, 08:00 AM
#198
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Fortunately the FOM has language that legally satisfies both camps provided:
CA's: If you prefer an alternate location for the brief, not only is mandatory to notify the FO, failure to do so is extremely rude to the person that you're going to be cooped up with for the next few days.
FO's: If the captain doesn't designate an alternate site, you are required to be in the appropriate FPA at report time. Since many captains fail to both notify the FO and report to the FPA, send them a text or email asking where they want to meet. If they fail to respond, go to the FPA, wait for them, and then get to the plane later. If they ask where you were, tell them that you were complying with the FOM.
CA & FO: only the location of the brief can be changed. Regardless of where the captain designates that take place, both pilots are required to be there 1 hr prior. Showing up 30-45 minutes prior on the first trip is not SOP compliant.
CA's: If you prefer an alternate location for the brief, not only is mandatory to notify the FO, failure to do so is extremely rude to the person that you're going to be cooped up with for the next few days.
FO's: If the captain doesn't designate an alternate site, you are required to be in the appropriate FPA at report time. Since many captains fail to both notify the FO and report to the FPA, send them a text or email asking where they want to meet. If they fail to respond, go to the FPA, wait for them, and then get to the plane later. If they ask where you were, tell them that you were complying with the FOM.
CA & FO: only the location of the brief can be changed. Regardless of where the captain designates that take place, both pilots are required to be there 1 hr prior. Showing up 30-45 minutes prior on the first trip is not SOP compliant.
07-16-2024, 08:05 AM
#199
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While I understand the sentiment, the bigger picture is compliance and credibility. If the cap or fo starts the trip by blowing off the briefing point, they kinda lose the ability to be taken seriously if they decide to call out a deviation of their flying partner at a later time. Let’s get it changed if it’s archaic, but how bout at least attempting to do it as written in the mean time? One side of the pre merger house did it this way, while the other did not. That’s the real reason some won’t comply, because their way didn’t survive the merger, and they aren’t changing.
07-16-2024, 08:10 AM
#200
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I didn’t say safety of flight did I? Let’s not resort to straw men, ok? I simply said we lose credibility if our first action is blowing off the meeting point sop
