Can someone verify or deny this
05-14-2024, 05:42 AM
#471
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Stick to the facts.
1) SWA crew took a UAL crewmember in the actual jumpseat.
2) SWA crew becomes subject to FAA investigation in regards to observations made during the flight.
That's about all we really know which is telling in it's own.
1) SWA crew took a UAL crewmember in the actual jumpseat.
2) SWA crew becomes subject to FAA investigation in regards to observations made during the flight.
That's about all we really know which is telling in it's own.
05-14-2024, 05:47 AM
#472
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At this point she's not really the problem. The problem is the collateral damage we're causing. At one airline I'm familiar with (not SWA or UAL) the chair of an important committee, also a check pilot, decided to "Make her famous" in his words. So do we trust that guy with sensitive information? Is he going rogue or just a fellow pilot acting on impulse? Do I trust him and his leadership if I have an issue?
Our friends who are leaking or spreading information are undermining the good, working order of their respective systems (ASAP, security, training, HIMS, CIRP, etc.). When our friends go rogue they're making crappy plays for pats on the back from the lads. They get those attaboys from the lads too. It's us nerds who pay the bill in degraded trust in our systems, uncommanded jumpseat weirdness and, etc.
We are reacting because somebody may have gone outside of channels, and it hit the news. So we went and undermined confidence in the channels we wanted her to use. Seems pretty dumb.
Our friends who are leaking or spreading information are undermining the good, working order of their respective systems (ASAP, security, training, HIMS, CIRP, etc.). When our friends go rogue they're making crappy plays for pats on the back from the lads. They get those attaboys from the lads too. It's us nerds who pay the bill in degraded trust in our systems, uncommanded jumpseat weirdness and, etc.
We are reacting because somebody may have gone outside of channels, and it hit the news. So we went and undermined confidence in the channels we wanted her to use. Seems pretty dumb.
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05-14-2024, 06:10 AM
#473
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PUH-lease. This person is getting a ton of community back lash for a reason, it’s called trust. The last thing any of us need is some random call from the FAA over nothing. What’s pretty dumb is running your mouth to someone who you obviously don’t know well enough to understand that this person is then gonna call some random whistleblower hotline. She’s the one who undermined the system to begin with.
You can frame anything how you want…she prob sensationalized it to the wrong person and it backfired spectacularly. One would hope she learned her lesson, but I’m not willing to take that chance. She’s more than welcome to an empty seat in back, but not up front. I won’t deny others from any other airline because of the actions of a single person.
05-14-2024, 06:55 AM
#474
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Exactly. All these White Knight simps trying to twist the story into something else, something they would never do if the subject was male btw, is truly pathetic.
05-14-2024, 07:04 AM
#475
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At this point she's not really the problem. The problem is the collateral damage we're causing. At one airline I'm familiar with (not SWA or UAL) the chair of an important committee, also a check pilot, decided to "Make her famous" in his words. So do we trust that guy with sensitive information? Is he going rogue or just a fellow pilot acting on impulse? Do I trust him and his leadership if I have an issue?
Our friends who are leaking or spreading information are undermining the good, working order of their respective systems (ASAP, security, training, HIMS, CIRP, etc.). When our friends go rogue they're making crappy plays for pats on the back from the lads. They get those attaboys from the lads too. It's us nerds who pay the bill in degraded trust in our systems, uncommanded jumpseat weirdness and, etc.
We are reacting because somebody may have gone outside of channels, and it hit the news. So we went and undermined confidence in the channels we wanted her to use. Seems pretty dumb.
Our friends who are leaking or spreading information are undermining the good, working order of their respective systems (ASAP, security, training, HIMS, CIRP, etc.). When our friends go rogue they're making crappy plays for pats on the back from the lads. They get those attaboys from the lads too. It's us nerds who pay the bill in degraded trust in our systems, uncommanded jumpseat weirdness and, etc.
We are reacting because somebody may have gone outside of channels, and it hit the news. So we went and undermined confidence in the channels we wanted her to use. Seems pretty dumb.
Adulting time, actions have consequences. I don't know or care the specific mechanics of how this got from Point A (invited into somebody else's cockpit as a courtesy) to Point B (phone call to FAA) but she should have someow managed those mechanics so that it never got to Point B.
Let's face it, I've never heard of anything like this in many years of 121, and a lot of JS rides have occurred in that time frame. It had to take some effort to push this over the top.
The "system" will go through some motions but is inherently limited by it's own liabilities and duties. I think I agree with others, she can ride in back.
05-14-2024, 07:10 AM
#476
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No.
Adulting time, actions have consequences. I don't know or care the specific mechanics of how this got from Point A (invited into somebody else's cockpit as a courtesy) to Point B (phone call to FAA) but she should have someow managed those mechanics so that it never got to Point B.
Let's face it, I've never heard of anything like this in many years of 121, and a lot of JS rides have occurred in that time frame. It had to take some effort to push this over the top.
The "system" will go through some motions but is inherently limited by it's own liabilities and duties. I think I agree with others, she can ride in back.
Adulting time, actions have consequences. I don't know or care the specific mechanics of how this got from Point A (invited into somebody else's cockpit as a courtesy) to Point B (phone call to FAA) but she should have someow managed those mechanics so that it never got to Point B.
Let's face it, I've never heard of anything like this in many years of 121, and a lot of JS rides have occurred in that time frame. It had to take some effort to push this over the top.
The "system" will go through some motions but is inherently limited by it's own liabilities and duties. I think I agree with others, she can ride in back.
05-14-2024, 07:11 AM
#477
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You do have the veto authority, but not the authority to make the final decision. The FO should bring up their concerns, and the CA should listen, but also reserve the right to make the call. In this case, I would want more than "I heard it on some forum" before I denied a jumpseat to someone. We don't know the actual details of this story, just a bunch of speculation. If my FO said that they didn't think that we should take a jumpseater for some reason, I would listen to their concerns, and then explain why I was allowing or denying the jumpseater. If they had a problem with that, then they can always call the FODM and get pulled off of the trip.
What you will not see coming out of this is any union or company edicts directing that all pilots MUST accept this person as a JSer, in the interest of "fairness".
That's for offline. UAL people might actually get some directives on this issue.
05-14-2024, 07:35 AM
#478
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No.
Adulting time, actions have consequences. I don't know or care the specific mechanics of how this got from Point A (invited into somebody else's cockpit as a courtesy) to Point B (phone call to FAA) but she should have someow managed those mechanics so that it never got to Point B.
Let's face it, I've never heard of anything like this in many years of 121, and a lot of JS rides have occurred in that time frame. It had to take some effort to push this over the top.
The "system" will go through some motions but is inherently limited by it's own liabilities and duties. I think I agree with others, she can ride in back.
Adulting time, actions have consequences. I don't know or care the specific mechanics of how this got from Point A (invited into somebody else's cockpit as a courtesy) to Point B (phone call to FAA) but she should have someow managed those mechanics so that it never got to Point B.
Let's face it, I've never heard of anything like this in many years of 121, and a lot of JS rides have occurred in that time frame. It had to take some effort to push this over the top.
The "system" will go through some motions but is inherently limited by it's own liabilities and duties. I think I agree with others, she can ride in back.
05-14-2024, 07:46 AM
#479
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You obviously don't get it. Do you feel like an outcast when you go to work? Perhaps this is the wrong profession for you.
05-14-2024, 07:50 AM
#480
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No, that's not what I said.
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