Waitrose

This whole thread reeks of sexual violence, which is of course not about sex, but power. Every dude saying "I'll never give her my jumpseat" is peacocking their supposed power over this woman. The focus of that statement is the power one person has over another. It's telling that that is the overwhelming reaction here.

60av8tor

Try to expand your mind just a little bit - may be tough for you... Imagine if you will, at first blush a lot of us were embarrassed by our colleague, and rather than defend, probably went to the other side of the spectrum. NOT condoning the personal info going around - that's a different matter IMO - but rather the general, negative comments. That's one part. The other part, is this is freakin' APC. Claiming a toxic culture among 17.5 from a handful on an anonymous forum... some critical thinking there. That would be like me judging DL from LAXtoDEN, the cheese d$ck flexing for 67, your servant leader, or windchecks I hear 18 times on final with 6 knot winds. Wouldn't be representative of your pilot group.

I for one fall on the harsh side if she did in fact do this, which I don't think she did, as it first came out. But again, handing out her info, etc... different discussion in my mind.

TiredSoul

Absolutely.
I have to say as a spectator I enjoyed the trainwreck.
Things would have been totally different if this was a male, even better former military.
Pretty blond white girl can never be right of course.
Imagine that.
Oh, the horror.
.

LAXtoDEN

Such an insane statement my only question is how many cats do you have at home? 5 or 15?

You could just as easily claim if the innocent until proven guilty individual was a “he” absolutely nobody would be defending them on this thread and it would be literally “open season”. Most of the posters deflecting and defending have a history on this forum of downplaying something when the narrative involves DEI. This entire event has absolutely nothing to do with DEI btw. Just a lackluster union response to an event that should have been resolved already.

Hedley

You do have the veto authority, but not the authority to make the final decision. The FO should bring up their concerns, and the CA should listen, but also reserve the right to make the call. In this case, I would want more than "I heard it on some forum" before I denied a jumpseat to someone. We don't know the actual details of this story, just a bunch of speculation. If my FO said that they didn't think that we should take a jumpseater for some reason, I would listen to their concerns, and then explain why I was allowing or denying the jumpseater. If they had a problem with that, then they can always call the FODM and get pulled off of the trip.

CBreezy

But the narrative doesn't involve inclusive hiring. It involves a pilot with more experience in 121 than 1/3 of the white males I've seen in New hire classes..

hummingbear

Not how conflict resolution works. Things get resolved privately & dispassionately where cooler heads prevail. They do not then get turned over to the masses so we can have 17,000+ judges, juries, & executioners evaluating whether said resolution meets their personal satisfaction & planning individual action if it doesn’t. Over 40 pages of uninformed & unaffiliated keyboard warriors demanding their pound of flesh quite effectively illustrate why that is a good idea.

If Judy Jumpseater wants her story out there, she’s entitled to tell it, but as long as this has been resolved to the satisfaction of both unions, she is also as entitled to her privacy as any of us here. Again, if you’re not happy with the outcome, contact your union & encourage them to get involved as a benevolent 3rd party & report their findings directly to you. Meanwhile we’ll just have to deal with missing your metered voice at our meetings.

Nordhavn

You didn't use the word oppression. We were all waiting for it, lol. You recent grads from Uni are pathetically predictable. If your FOM allowed it, you would have a septum ring, and tattooes all over your obese body.

BlueScholar

This.

Compare this thread and the baseball charter thread to the 737 that went off the runway at IAH and bent metal. Two of those threads are full of posters all fired up about calling for crews to be fired and doxing fellow pilots, but the third is more about techniques, bulletins, systems, etc. Why is an (alleged) female crew member's mistake that results in zero injuries and zero damage get 60+ pages of vitrol and private messages narcing on who they were, but (alleged) male crew member mistakes that cause a landing gear to be ripped off doesn't get nearly as much hate or interest about their name or photo? Pretty interesting case studies to say the least.

LAXtoDEN

This is such a stretch I’d be shocked if you weren’t doing the splits while typing this straw man fallacy.

The United crew that went off the taxiway into the mud in Edmonton last week was supposedly a female Captain. Again who cares what the gender was. Thread is less than 2 pages. Why? probably because it hasn’t and probably won’t make the major news networks. Those cases you listed made all the papers and were major headlines on all the major news broadcasts. Oh btw some side discussion on systems and braking techniques was specific for that event. It’s unbelievable how twisted you must be in the head.