Vito

So all of you really smart, superior, and all knowing types who keep telling everyone else they don't know the "real" story or the "true facts" illuminate the unwashed here on APC with what really happened."..............I'll check tomorrow, but am expecting crickets.

CBreezy

No one really knows. And that's what we are telling everyone. Let's not commit a human sacrifice or ruin someone's career if we don't know any facts.

Stinger6

I did NOT know that human sacrifice was a feature on this board, TBH. I will be following much more closely. Like, it got interesting...

JohnnyStarbuck

Additionally:

"by reporting the incident directly to the FAA with the clear intention of ruining the livelihood of those two pilots"

You're kidding right? If it was a safety non-issue as everyone claims, why would talking to FAA ruin their livelihoods if they have nothing to hide and told the real truth to FAA?

Look in the mirror. Someone at SWA (CA of that flight perhaps?) purposefully leaked the JS'rs information from CAS to public discussion forums (confidential information), mobilized an enormous angry mob to go after her (incitement) with the clear intention to ruin her career and reputation (defamation). Reports say that the SWA CA went ballistic after he heard that there was an FAA IR. If he actually really filed an ASAP report about the incident, that would go to the FAA anyway, so why go ballistic?

It is very clear that SWA employee(s) purposefully retaliated against the JS. And managed to pull UA employees in too to dig up her information from UA internal systems.

Everyone's been saying that airline pilots know the proper channels to submit safety reports, so why would the JSr have contacted FAA in the first place?

You guys are way too quick to jump to conclusions, and you have managed to expose a huge number of SWA and also UA and other airline employees to disciplinary action, terminations and litigation that will go on for a long time.

What if the JSr is no longer able to work in this kind of environment? She will no doubt win any defamation, harassment, toxic workplace, and private information disclosure lawsuit. Most of the evidence is on public message boards, blog comments, direct emails to the person.

Does anyone disagree with this?

Csy Mon

From somewhere on the internet..

skruts

…are any of us seriously buying that? Give me a break.

JohnnyStarbuck

From somewhere on the internet:


Ben,

While I appreciate your attempt to amend and correct this story, why even post it in the first place. To get more clicks? I noticed all the pop up ads on here. How much are you getting paid to spread all of this mis and disinformation that you did zero research on, beyond a cut and paste hack job? It is WIDLY full of inaccuracies and you are now subjecting your blog to slander and libel because you attempt to do some form of journalism but have no way of getting the other side of the story.

I have intimate knowledge of this case. I can assure you:

1. She is NOT a new hire and NOT new to commercial aviation at all.
2. She DID NOT call the FAA. She has proof of that; perhaps she’ll get a chance to tell her side of the story one day and share that but she doesn’t owe that to anybody.
3. There is no jumpstart denials that have occurred at either airline as a result of this. Both airlines knew about the FAA report weeks before she did. They just couldn’t reach out because her name wasn’t known to UA and the SWA side didn’t want be involved in a retaliatory suit. In fact, not one UAL pilot has been denied the jump seat over this or any other event recently. If the pilot is qualified and presents the correct credentials, is polite, they will continue to be accepted onto all SWA jump seats, and versa.

You are part of a social media cabal, a machine, that played a role in absolutely destroying this woman’s life over the past week. She’s been eviscerated, vilified, had her photo, her email, personal data and even home address spread all over the world. She’s faced verbal and physical threats, and been called the most vile names in the English language.

Every pilot involved in this modern day digital lynching should hold their head in shame. You know who you are. You violated the ALPA Code of Ethics and then you sit on your high horse and lecture the reader about ethics? As a male aviator with over 30 years experience, a father to a daughter, a husband, and a son who still supports his mother and assists his disabled sister, I am outraged to see the level of vitriol and hate over something everyone who bothered to opine “heard/ read” on the internet and a majority of it coming from men.

Remember Nick Sandman and how he won $275M from CNN? Has social media not learned anything from that? Take this article down. It’s a joke, it’s offensive in its inaccuracies, and you are profiting from it. You’re exposing your illustrious blog to litigation as well now.

Jim Bob

JohnnyStarbuck

Why don't you ask FAA or your union rep, rather than make your own assumptions and perpetuate the lie?

jergar999

He's an exotic meat dealer that hangs out with my wife when I'm out of town for work.

Datsun

Fact is, this person violated the code. Ignorance is no excuse. The how and why is irrelevant. You keep names, dates, flight numbers, anything identifiable, out of your mouth. There is NEVER a reason to go straight to the FAA. Even in a crash/ incident, you use the orange card. Even if you’re anti-union, every company’s FOM dictates that you leave the official statements to the company. That’s one thing the union and the company have always agreed on: keep your mouth SHUT.

Even when gossiping, almost EVERY pilot leads off with, and sticks to, something to the effect of “not going to name names…” because they KNOW that is a GUARANTEED way to be next. You want to run your mouth, telling war stories and harrowing events, fine, but you better do it right. Or else.

She is about to suffer the “else” for the rest of her aviation career. If she stays in it.

-Jumpseat will not be a reliable option for her anymore. Buy tickets, nonrev, or move to base.

-She will face the possibility of other pilots “knowing her story” and treating her accordingly.

The fact she came straight from skywest absolutely fits. Their pilots have a well known reputation of displaying superiority that they simply do not have and is based on relatively nothing. That company pumps that bull sht into their head and a considerable number of them go for it. Again, not all of them, but enough to where it cannot be ignored. Highlights why you also must have strong sa regarding who you’re flying with. There’s a good reason the most common first question is “where’d you come from”.

Usually this is helped by having 121 experience other than skywest or finally running into the proverbial “wrong one”. She clearly had neither.

She is marked for the rest of her life in aviation. She will have to either endure the suck or choose a new career.