Can someone verify or deny this
05-12-2024, 01:47 AM
#382
Production Test Pilot
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I really don't get how this ended up to the FAA unless the person who called the FAA is an industry professional (I don't know how they operate the hotline, I'll admit this but I guess it's not in the manner of "Hello, I'm Jane / Bob and I work as a plumber but my best friend who is a 121 pilot told me that...")
Personally, how this ended up to the FAA is secondary to the fact that the Captain - according to what I've read in the news - thanked the jumpseater and told a still green/newly-hired FO what to do.
a) the JS did everything right when they started their career? Did any of us??
b) the JS is aware of SWA's Flight Procedures? And even if they were, FINE, make a remark, or let's assume that the FO's actions are known universally to be erroneous as far as operating a Boeing is concerned and you point this out ... why would you brag about it to a third person? And therein we circle back to point a above. The JS has never made a mistake in their life. The perfect aviator.
c) the JS is not a UAL employee at all but a super-secret agent of the FAA performing blitzkrieg line checks?
And by the way, I read the JS rides a 777 and they were on a 737? It's not even the same equipment.
Is this the beginning of a Flight Deck "woke" culture or something? More likely it's the "Yeah, I ride the mighty 777 WB and I corrected a poor NB FO on a flight within the same state for crying out loud" kind of bragging attitude that we don't need.
I'd keep my mouth shut or if I felt it was THIS important, which it is not even if you stretch it to "manufacturer mandated procedures" or "SWA law of the land or bust" kind of territory.
Plus I'd lighten up the atmosphere after the captain corrected their FO so that I didn't come off as stuffy and a nerd or a buzzkill.
Anyway, as always, that's my opinon and others might feel different
Personally, how this ended up to the FAA is secondary to the fact that the Captain - according to what I've read in the news - thanked the jumpseater and told a still green/newly-hired FO what to do.
a) the JS did everything right when they started their career? Did any of us??
b) the JS is aware of SWA's Flight Procedures? And even if they were, FINE, make a remark, or let's assume that the FO's actions are known universally to be erroneous as far as operating a Boeing is concerned and you point this out ... why would you brag about it to a third person? And therein we circle back to point a above. The JS has never made a mistake in their life. The perfect aviator.
c) the JS is not a UAL employee at all but a super-secret agent of the FAA performing blitzkrieg line checks?
And by the way, I read the JS rides a 777 and they were on a 737? It's not even the same equipment.
Is this the beginning of a Flight Deck "woke" culture or something? More likely it's the "Yeah, I ride the mighty 777 WB and I corrected a poor NB FO on a flight within the same state for crying out loud" kind of bragging attitude that we don't need.
I'd keep my mouth shut or if I felt it was THIS important, which it is not even if you stretch it to "manufacturer mandated procedures" or "SWA law of the land or bust" kind of territory.
Plus I'd lighten up the atmosphere after the captain corrected their FO so that I didn't come off as stuffy and a nerd or a buzzkill.
Anyway, as always, that's my opinon and others might feel different
05-12-2024, 02:48 AM
#383
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Joined APC: Nov 2020
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CA should have told the FAA, "yeah, glad you called, pretty sure that JS'er was drinking mini's during that flight, FO and I thought we smelled it on her breath"
05-12-2024, 05:16 AM
#384
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Joined APC: Apr 2018
Posts: 196
great idea .. tell the faa you saw her drinking on the flight deck or suspected her of drinking and and didn’t kick her to the back. Great plan!!!
05-12-2024, 05:30 AM
#385
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Posts: 1,803
What does political spin from the unions trying to calm the situation have to do with this thread? Honestly, IDNGAF what the unions have to say at this point because it is as predictable as the setting sun .
05-12-2024, 05:33 AM
#386
Ignoring; John Burke.
Joined APC: Jul 2022
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This jumpseater sounds a lot like a "Karen" at Continental, who was actually named Karen. She was famous for telling crews how to operate their jet from the jumpseat..til her name got passed around. Then, no more jumpseat...
Who is Javier?
Originally Posted by hummingbear;[url=tel:3800932
3800932]Newsflash, the union is explicitly telling us that company discipline is a possibility for those who circulate identifying information online. Further, one need not be a legal scholar to know that with a digital paper trail of 30 hours of Javier-based training .....”.
Who is Javier?
05-12-2024, 05:33 AM
#387
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Joined APC: Dec 2007
Position: Window seat
Posts: 5,507
The flap bugs on the airspeed indicator are the same. Flap handles the same. Boeings are Boeings...no Boeing pilot is confused when they see the airspeed below the flap extension bug and the flaps aren't set. You don't have to be checked out on the 737, or know SW's SOP's, to know the airspeed is less than the crew realizes.
05-12-2024, 06:35 AM
#388
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Joined APC: Mar 2019
Position: Phenom driver
Posts: 148
I really don't get how this ended up to the FAA unless the person who called the FAA is an industry professional (I don't know how they operate the hotline, I'll admit this but I guess it's not in the manner of "Hello, I'm Jane / Bob and I work as a plumber but my best friend who is a 121 pilot told me that...")
Personally, how this ended up to the FAA is secondary to the fact that the Captain - according to what I've read in the news - thanked the jumpseater and told a still green/newly-hired FO what to do.
a) the JS did everything right when they started their career? Did any of us??
b) the JS is aware of SWA's Flight Procedures? And even if they were, FINE, make a remark, or let's assume that the FO's actions are known universally to be erroneous as far as operating a Boeing is concerned and you point this out ... why would you brag about it to a third person? And therein we circle back to point a above. The JS has never made a mistake in their life. The perfect aviator.
c) the JS is not a UAL employee at all but a super-secret agent of the FAA performing blitzkrieg line checks?
And by the way, I read the JS rides a 777 and they were on a 737? It's not even the same equipment.
Is this the beginning of a Flight Deck "woke" culture or something? More likely it's the "Yeah, I ride the mighty 777 WB and I corrected a poor NB FO on a flight within the same state for crying out loud" kind of bragging attitude that we don't need.
I'd keep my mouth shut or if I felt it was THIS important, which it is not even if you stretch it to "manufacturer mandated procedures" or "SWA law of the land or bust" kind of territory.
Plus I'd lighten up the atmosphere after the captain corrected their FO so that I didn't come off as stuffy and a nerd or a buzzkill.
Anyway, as always, that's my opinon and others might feel different
Personally, how this ended up to the FAA is secondary to the fact that the Captain - according to what I've read in the news - thanked the jumpseater and told a still green/newly-hired FO what to do.
a) the JS did everything right when they started their career? Did any of us??
b) the JS is aware of SWA's Flight Procedures? And even if they were, FINE, make a remark, or let's assume that the FO's actions are known universally to be erroneous as far as operating a Boeing is concerned and you point this out ... why would you brag about it to a third person? And therein we circle back to point a above. The JS has never made a mistake in their life. The perfect aviator.
c) the JS is not a UAL employee at all but a super-secret agent of the FAA performing blitzkrieg line checks?
And by the way, I read the JS rides a 777 and they were on a 737? It's not even the same equipment.
Is this the beginning of a Flight Deck "woke" culture or something? More likely it's the "Yeah, I ride the mighty 777 WB and I corrected a poor NB FO on a flight within the same state for crying out loud" kind of bragging attitude that we don't need.
I'd keep my mouth shut or if I felt it was THIS important, which it is not even if you stretch it to "manufacturer mandated procedures" or "SWA law of the land or bust" kind of territory.
Plus I'd lighten up the atmosphere after the captain corrected their FO so that I didn't come off as stuffy and a nerd or a buzzkill.
Anyway, as always, that's my opinon and others might feel different
05-12-2024, 06:49 AM
#389
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Joined APC: Mar 2017
Posts: 3,786
Honestly the email raised more questions than it answered. Honestly I think an explanation is due not some feel good message with a “trust us” narrative.
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