TiredSoul

With friends like that who would need enemies?

RJSAviator76

Again, I want someone to tell me what an airline pilot who fully understands FOQA, ASAP, FDAP, how training is handled, how errors are dealt with, CRM principles etc would say to the FAA person once they answered the phone. Your layman probably doesn't know much if anything about these programs or how our industry operates, but an airline pilot does. That's why going to the FAA over something like this if you're an airline pilot just doesn't make sense. It's non-sensical. It's like dividing a number by zero.

Vito

Two points,

One- How convenient the "snitch" is not the jumpseating Pilot, but her Non-Pilot Husband/trusted friend who can't JS anyway. Personally, I think the story about her husband was the one who ratted on the SWA crew is total BS damage control on her part. Think about it, he takes the fall and since he can’t jumpseat anyway no repercussions for her. Not buying it.

Two- We'll never learn the real facts until a few years from now.....Nothing more Annoying than keyboard Karens preaching to the masses about waiting for all the facts, we don't know the real story blah blah blah.......... we all know the real story will never come out.

BoilerUP

I just have a really hard time believing a pilot with enough professional flying experience to be a legacy widebody F/O would drop a dime about an offline crew to the FAA based upon a small error that was 1. observed when jumpseating, 2. trapped, and 3. didn't pose an immediate safety-of-flight risk.

Its more plausible IMO that somebody without the experience and perspective of a 121 pilot could think "the crew was unsafe and the jet was about to crash!" when hearing something along the lines of "they got a little slow".

Vito

Two points,

One- How convenient the "snitch" is not the jumpseating Pilot, but her Non-Pilot Husband/trusted friend who can't JS anyway. Personally, I think the story saying her husband was the person who ratted on the SWA crew is total BS damage control on her part. Think about it, he takes the fall and since he can’t jumpseat anyway no repercussions for her. Not buying it. The story is changing a lot🙄🤨 If this were the case, I would call for a press conference to state the facts and clear the air, unequivocally.

Two- We'll never learn the real facts until a few years from now.....

PCL_128

Some of you people have never been to court and it shows.

"A jury won't care about the law!"

Actually, they would, because a judge can throw out a crazy jury ruling that doesn't comport to the law, but more importantly, cases don't go straight to juries. This would start off with a libel suit filed by the snitch, the defendant's attorney would file a motion for summary judgment, and the judge would make a determination whether the case even goes to trial. His determination in a summary judgement motion is based on whether the plaintiff has a case even if her claims are true. In other words, the judge will assume that the defendant actually did dox her, but then he'll look at whether she actually did snitch. If she did, then she has no case because libel only occurs if she was accused of something that she didn't do. If she did it, libel doesn't exist, and the case gets dismissed on summary judgment. Her only chance at a case even getting to a jury is if she actually didn't do what she's accused of doing.

"Y'all can't spread around lists of people to deny jumpseats! You'll get sued!"

This has already been litigated previously and the SCABs lost. Look up Dunn v. ALPA. A few EAL SCABs sued ALPA and individual pilots for distributing a SCAB list and the case was dismissed on summary judgment because the judge said the plaintiffs actually did cross the picket line. You can't sue for libel when you did what the list (or social post) says you did. It doesn't even get to a jury for them to decide. And usually in these cases, the plaintiff ends up paying the attorneys' fees for the defendants. So she'd be crazy to even file the suit, as she'd get stuck with tens of thousands of dollars in legal fees.

Granted, this assumes that she is actually a snitch and the story isn't made up (telling her boyfriend who then tells the FAA is still snitching). But with the communications that have come out from both unions and reading between the lines, it appears some of the facts may be slightly different than some of the stories going around, but sounds like she actually did it in some form or fashion. United could certainly settle with her just to get her out of their hair, but I doubt any lawsuits against anyone beyond the airline would be filed, much less get anywhere.

RJSAviator76

OK, you're an airline pilot with full knowledge of the safety systems in place (CRM/CLR at United, ASAP, FDAP, FOQA, etc.) what do you tell the FAA when you drop a dime? They got slow and then put the flaps out and fixed the problem?

If anything, I think she's guilty of probably embellishing the story to a third party, but I'm yet to be even remotely convinced that she was the one to have called the FAA simply because it makes no sense if you're an airline pilot. Though to a Karen and someone unfamiliar with all of our safety and reporting systems, it may totally make sense.

hummingbear

The only reason Story 1 makes more sense to you is that it was, in fact, Story 1. You got emotionally attached to it & you don’t want to stop being angry. The idea that an airline pilot would be involved in a run-of-the-mill CRM interaction then go home & make a direct call to the FAA feels pretty weird to begin with.

Do I know what happened? I do not. But the one about coming home from a 4 day w/ an embellished “tell me about your trip” story to someone who was jacked up on Netflix documentaries & online Boeing fear-porn & decided to save the world is probably the more believable. And not entirely forgivable, mind you, but certainly a different kind of problem. Would not be the first airline pilot I’ve known who had issues w/ discretion when talking to the uninformed public.

hummingbear

Funny how anonymous online rumors with no proof or credible sources tend to do that, isn’t it?

Nordhavn

And yet, somehow you know what is going on inside his head? You are amazing Cleo! GTFOOH!