Can someone verify or deny this
05-09-2024, 12:44 PM
#191
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So the general consensus here is to never fill out an ASAP report lest you "narc" on a crewmember to the "feds"? That's what we're saying here? And any new hire who has the gall to submit a safety report (albiet in a less ideal forum) about a legimitate safety of flight issue which could have resulted in a smoking hole in the ground surrounded by the vaporized body parts of 160 passengers is permanent ostracization from their colleagues? Not mentoring, not being debriefed and sent on their way, but being mocked behind their back and an organied effort to be blackballed from the jump seat at multiple airlines???
Somebody make this make sense to me!
Somebody make this make sense to me!
05-09-2024, 12:47 PM
#192
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So the general consensus here is to never fill out an ASAP report lest you "narc" on a crewmember to the "feds"? That's what we're saying here? And any new hire who has the gall to submit a safety report (albiet in a less ideal forum) about a legimitate safety of flight issue which could have resulted in a smoking hole in the ground surrounded by the vaporized body parts of 160 passengers is permanent ostracization from their colleagues? Not mentoring, not being debriefed and sent on their way, but being mocked behind their back and an organied effort to be blackballed from the jump seat at multiple airlines???
Somebody make this make sense to me!
Somebody make this make sense to me!
05-09-2024, 12:49 PM
#193
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So the general consensus here is to never fill out an ASAP report lest you "narc" on a crewmember to the "feds"? That's what we're saying here? And any new hire who has the gall to submit a safety report (albiet in a less ideal forum) about a legimitate safety of flight issue which could have resulted in a smoking hole in the ground surrounded by the vaporized body parts of 160 passengers is permanent ostracization from their colleagues? Not mentoring, not being debriefed and sent on their way, but being mocked behind their back and an organied effort to be blackballed from the jump seat at multiple airlines???
Somebody make this make sense to me!
Somebody make this make sense to me!
Here's what makes sense...
Debrief with the crew. If it was a REALLY aggregious event (ie fear for your life), and you REALLY think there should be follow-up, ask them to submit an ASAP. I'm absolutely certain they would under those circumstances. Then go home. If you still can't sleep at night, call your JS committee and let the union help figure it out.
As a jumpseater, the only thing I'd call the FAA for would be a working crewmember doing lines of coke on their tray table.
05-09-2024, 12:54 PM
#194
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Here's what makes sense...
Debrief with the crew. If it was a REALLY aggregious event (ie fear for your life), and you REALLY think there should be follow-up, ask them to submit an ASAP. I'm absolutely certain they would under those circumstances. Then go home. If you still can't sleep at night, call your JS committee and let the union help figure it out.
As a jumpseater, the only thing I'd call the FAA for would be a working crewmember doing lines of coke on their tray table.
Debrief with the crew. If it was a REALLY aggregious event (ie fear for your life), and you REALLY think there should be follow-up, ask them to submit an ASAP. I'm absolutely certain they would under those circumstances. Then go home. If you still can't sleep at night, call your JS committee and let the union help figure it out.
As a jumpseater, the only thing I'd call the FAA for would be a working crewmember doing lines of coke on their tray table.
05-09-2024, 01:16 PM
#195
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05-09-2024, 01:39 PM
#197
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So the general consensus here is to never fill out an ASAP report lest you "narc" on a crewmember to the "feds"? That's what we're saying here? And any new hire who has the gall to submit a safety report (albiet in a less ideal forum) about a legimitate safety of flight issue which could have resulted in a smoking hole in the ground surrounded by the vaporized body parts of 160 passengers is permanent ostracization from their colleagues? Not mentoring, not being debriefed and sent on their way, but being mocked behind their back and an organied effort to be blackballed from the jump seat at multiple airlines???
Somebody make this make sense to me!
Somebody make this make sense to me!
05-09-2024, 01:54 PM
#200
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Also it sounds like this new hire at UAL has never heard of FOQA. If it was that egregious, FOQA would have flagged it and the pilots would have been called about it
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