UNITED???? Passenger in CAPT seat in FLIGHT?
09-25-2024, 01:53 PM
#481
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I don’t think anyone is arguing that the Captain should be gone. After numerous years as not only a Captain but also a TK instructor, she should have known better. However, I think we all have a soft spot for the FO. As a new hire who potentially doesn’t have much 121, let alone airline charter, I could see how you could end up convinced by the captain saying “oh don’t worry about it, we are part 91 today so the rules don’t apply.” SHOULD he have known better? Sure, he should have read the manual about charter flights prior to operating. But perhaps it was a last minute reserve assignment and was relying on instructor captains “expertise”.
on a side note, as a prior TK guy I completely agree that our Indoc and FOM training is abysmal compared to other airlines I have operated at.
on a side note, as a prior TK guy I completely agree that our Indoc and FOM training is abysmal compared to other airlines I have operated at.
They, united safety, used to publish a quarterly summary of notable irregular events entitled Safetyliner. At least I think that’s what it was called. Super shared discovery, simply told and de-identified. Too bad corporate liability exposure and public perception bias makes that kind of story telling a no go these days. In any case, ive drooled enough. Fly the friendly skies folks, you're in good hands.
09-25-2024, 02:06 PM
#482
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It’s rough. Terminating otherwise proficient pilots for cause is sad business. Ideally you’d prefer discretion to requal and use unforeseen gaps in training as justification. They (feds) may not have been leniency minded or otherwise directed. I’ve witnessed worse with no harm no foul consequences. Let’s be candid, nothing really happened.
They, united safety, used to publish a quarterly summary of notable irregular events entitled Safetyliner. At least I think that’s what it was called. Super shared discovery, simply told and de-identified. Too bad corporate liability exposure and public perception bias makes that kind of story telling a no go these days. In any case, ive drooled enough. Fly the friendly skies folks, you're in good hands.
They, united safety, used to publish a quarterly summary of notable irregular events entitled Safetyliner. At least I think that’s what it was called. Super shared discovery, simply told and de-identified. Too bad corporate liability exposure and public perception bias makes that kind of story telling a no go these days. In any case, ive drooled enough. Fly the friendly skies folks, you're in good hands.
09-25-2024, 02:18 PM
#483
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They, united safety, used to publish a quarterly summary of notable irregular events entitled Safetyliner. At least I think that’s what it was called. Super shared discovery, simply told and de-identified. Too bad corporate liability exposure and public perception bias makes that kind of story telling a no go these days.
When I was on active duty, we had a bunch of folks get in trouble for dumb stuff in a short amount of time. Boss decided to publish a monthly email listing the sins of the offenders in order to promote good behavior, just like we're talking about here. The very first edition included a line about how some guy was charged with a violation of “Article 92, dereliction of duty, for failure to refrain from urinating in the office coffee maker.” It got picked up by the national news media, and that was the end of the monthly email.
09-25-2024, 02:53 PM
#484
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Couldn't agree more. It'd obviously be fantastic to have more data to learn from, but you're absolutely right... that era is over.
When I was on active duty, we had a bunch of folks get in trouble for dumb stuff in a short amount of time. Boss decided to publish a monthly email listing the sins of the offenders in order to promote good behavior, just like we're talking about here. The very first edition included a line about how some guy was charged with a violation of “Article 92, dereliction of duty, for failure to refrain from urinating in the office coffee maker.” It got picked up by the national news media, and that was the end of the monthly email.
When I was on active duty, we had a bunch of folks get in trouble for dumb stuff in a short amount of time. Boss decided to publish a monthly email listing the sins of the offenders in order to promote good behavior, just like we're talking about here. The very first edition included a line about how some guy was charged with a violation of “Article 92, dereliction of duty, for failure to refrain from urinating in the office coffee maker.” It got picked up by the national news media, and that was the end of the monthly email.
Some of the photos posted about the bent 767 almost got UAL removed as a party to the NTSB investigation.
09-25-2024, 03:00 PM
#485
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100% agree. I was taught WAY more FOM subjects at my regional than UA. In fact, I don't remember what was taught re FOM at UA indoc, but that is probably on me🤪. A systemic issue I can see tying to TK - still doesn't absolve the individual - but this was so apparently stupid, I just have a hard time hearing OMG TK is effed up. I'm far from an apologist for the training environment, but if I just have a stupid stroke, it's on me.
Agree-one weirdo nearly 30-year captain who is starstruck by some charter pax doesn't make a systemic issue that would be linked to TK.
09-25-2024, 03:19 PM
#486
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Joined APC: May 2023
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Great point. Let's not forget the bigger idiot move was not the SOP violation......it was filming it, then broadcasting it. Without the latter 2 steps.....does anyone outside "some guy in my Crashpad" even know about it.....let alone prove it.
09-25-2024, 04:31 PM
#487
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In Unity...
09-26-2024, 06:28 AM
#490
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The video was done by one of the FAs, not either of the pilots.
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