UNITED???? Passenger in CAPT seat in FLIGHT?
09-25-2024, 03:23 AM
#462
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If pilots who have attempted to fly under the influence have eventually come back after being fired, (albiet only after a longggg and tough ride through the HIMS program), the odds that the FO at least will are extremely high.
I suggest you familiarize yourself w FAR 91.3(a)
91.3 Responsibility and authority of the pilot in command.
(a) The pilot in command of an aircraft is directly responsible for, and is the final authority as to, the operation of that aircraft.
After verbally objecting to such actions in a loud and clear manner.....WTF is the FO suppose to do to stop such, that won't created a bigger safety issue in the heat of the moment?
I suggest you familiarize yourself w FAR 91.3(a)
91.3 Responsibility and authority of the pilot in command.
(a) The pilot in command of an aircraft is directly responsible for, and is the final authority as to, the operation of that aircraft.
After verbally objecting to such actions in a loud and clear manner.....WTF is the FO suppose to do to stop such, that won't created a bigger safety issue in the heat of the moment?
09-25-2024, 04:05 AM
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That some attempt to argue this indicates a problem. Several intentional SOP, FAR, ISS violations were committed. A secure door left open wide to unbadged pax is unlawful absent PIC use of emergency authority. Putting one behind the controls is jailable. Transmit acars, alert assigned crewmembers to a serious breach of duty in progress. Alert ATC if you must. Something’s clearly gone wrong at TK.
09-25-2024, 04:58 AM
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TK's fault. M kay... Maybe, just maybe, TK can't cover every scenario of dumb assery. Just an odd strectch to tie TK to something so blatantly wrong - especially from the FOM side vs FM. To even try to blame anything expect the moldy wheel of cheese between that CA's ears is laughable.
09-25-2024, 05:17 AM
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TK's fault. M kay... Maybe, just maybe, TK can't cover every scenario of dumb assery. Just an odd strectch to tie TK to something so blatantly wrong - especially from the FOM side vs FM. To even try to blame anything expect the moldy wheel of cheese between that CA's ears is laughable.
09-25-2024, 05:17 AM
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It's true that some action was taken if names are no longer appearing on the staffing report. But realize the process is not over. The disciplanry process is spelled out in the RLA and section 17 and 18 of our UPA. It's a long process. Keep in mind that the conversation here won't do any one of them any favors. Also keep in mind that there is usually a lot more to thge cases than what you might hear in rumors floated out on the line. These cases are usually about far more than the individual(s) named in the case. What you may view as a "clean kill" might not actually be clean.
09-25-2024, 05:39 AM
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I don't care what your titles/experience was/is. I disagree with the assertion that this is a product of TK. Not arguing precedence of previous actions at "lesser" operations. Stating I see no correlation to that CA's actions and what goes on at TK.
09-25-2024, 05:52 AM
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Complete dereliction of duty gone unchecked. Indoc topic ignorance is no defense. Any newbie FA ought know better. Don't waste time lecturing me, there's a Certificate Management Team to convince. Bad trip all the way.
09-25-2024, 06:04 AM
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It's true that some action was taken if names are no longer appearing on the staffing report. But realize the process is not over. The disciplanry process is spelled out in the RLA and section 17 and 18 of our UPA. It's a long process. Keep in mind that the conversation here won't do any one of them any favors. Also keep in mind that there is usually a lot more to thge cases than what you might hear in rumors floated out on the line. These cases are usually about far more than the individual(s) named in the case. What you may view as a "clean kill" might not actually be clean.
09-25-2024, 06:14 AM
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As usual, there is more to the story. What happens afterward in the process matters too. Despite bad decision making seen in the video, there are probably things that happened in this case that should concern every pilot here. You're looking at the video in a vacuum. The company usually isn't. It's about more than the video. Just relax and let the process play out. Our house doesn't get bigger while the pilots involved in this case watch their house burn. Theyre being tried already. It does us no good for us to pour gas on it. It doesn't do any good for them, either.
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