UNITED???? Passenger in CAPT seat in FLIGHT?
07-15-2024, 10:26 AM
#381
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I don’t disagree. What I would like to point out, as I do to all new F/O’s is that the FOM is written to protect the company, not the pilot. They give us virtually ZERO FOM training/classroom time other than some basic dispatch regs. The rest is self study, and it’s a huge volume of info that we are responsible for. Back in the day, we had actual instructors who spent hours in a classroom ensuring FOM basic understanding. Now, due to to cost considerations, FOM training is non existent. Bottom line, they’ll throw you under the bus in a heartbeat for not having encyclopedic knowledge of the FOM, but offer next to nothing in the way of real training. I feel for this new FO, but that’s the reality.
07-15-2024, 10:36 AM
#382
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07-15-2024, 11:24 AM
#383
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Because it's an ongoing safety investigation, why is that so hard to comprehend? Here's a better question, why do you think you deserve to know the outcome? Have you ever seen that listed in any other investigation you've ever seen? Can we get a list all all your mistakes and screwups and send that out to the rest of the world?
Ironically we have pilots in this topic complaining about not enough hand holding in reading the FOM to them. And yet this captain taught FOM to pilots. If anyone should know the rules she should.
We get paid a decent salary and yet we complain about being expected to read our FOM?
07-15-2024, 11:35 AM
#384
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A mistake is fat fingering the final weight manifest. What this captain did was a gross violation of common sense. I think everyone would like to see there are consequences for doing something incredibly stupid. We are inundated with memos and CQDL lessons from screwups. This was not a screwup. This is beyond the pale and failure to terminate would be grossly unfair to those that actually follow the rules. Why even have a disciplinary and termination process in the contract if this doesn’t reach that level?
Ironically we have pilots in this topic complaining about not enough hand holding in reading the FOM to them. And yet this captain taught FOM to pilots. If anyone should know the rules she should.
We get paid a decent salary and yet we complain about being expected to read our FOM?
Ironically we have pilots in this topic complaining about not enough hand holding in reading the FOM to them. And yet this captain taught FOM to pilots. If anyone should know the rules she should.
We get paid a decent salary and yet we complain about being expected to read our FOM?
07-17-2024, 09:00 AM
#385
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I think you misunderstood the meaning of my post. I agree he should face consequences, my point is that it’s all on YOU now. The FOM isn’t there to protect us, rather the company. That’s all I was trying to say. Yes, it was better when we had better training, but it’s not an excuse. Y’all be careful out there.
In Unity...
07-17-2024, 07:33 PM
#386
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you're conflating a public legal action - like a criminal or civil case with a public jury - with at most what would be a regulatory enforcement action which, if it resulted in action, WOULD be public and reflected on the affected individual's publicly available certification records
in the meantime while processes occur that must, why not respect the actual, real rights of others and instead of clamoring about your "right to know," catch up on the real housewives episodes you've missed writing these posts?
07-17-2024, 07:40 PM
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wouldnt fo have told FA to not film? or ca ask for phone when returned to find pax in seat? did pax leave flight deck before ca left lav? wouldn't ca have written it up unless fo kept silent and ca never knew? just seems like unlikely confluence of events
07-18-2024, 08:10 AM
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seems unlikely unless protocols for door opening and flight deck admissions were not also violated
wouldnt fo have told FA to not film? or ca ask for phone when returned to find pax in seat? did pax leave flight deck before ca left lav? wouldn't ca have written it up unless fo kept silent and ca never knew? just seems like unlikely confluence of events
wouldnt fo have told FA to not film? or ca ask for phone when returned to find pax in seat? did pax leave flight deck before ca left lav? wouldn't ca have written it up unless fo kept silent and ca never knew? just seems like unlikely confluence of events
07-18-2024, 09:44 AM
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