Originally Posted by rickair7777

That would make sense for old-style devices which use tape or hard drive type media. I'm not sure if that can be done for solid state digitial media, but I think that kind of recorder would retain data muuch longer, like 24 hours?

Originally Posted by Broncofan

IMHO the problem starts at INDOC. We have the “culture” of “don’t worry about it we will get you through if your having problems” and the Indoc test is open book. Meanwhile it’s pretty much expected we all go drinking most nights. I can’t tell you how many times when I was working at TK guys would show up to FTDB1 and when I asked them to tell me the call outs for a go around, they were deer caught in the headlights. Expecting to be spoon fed. Also, one student I had received 10 extra sim sessions. Incredible.

while agree everybody deserves a second and maybe 3rd chance. We need to have a more serious attitude during training and be willing to weed out people who don’t belong in the flight deck. We always say “well regionals have direct entry captains so why can’t we?” It’s because at a regional if you mess up, your out after maybe one extra sim session or after failing a non open book test.

Originally Posted by Andy

I do not dispute your observations.
The problem is 'inside the building'. TK.
We line pilots are a product of what we're taught at TK.

Originally Posted by Andy

I do not dispute your observations.
The problem is 'inside the building'. TK.
We line pilots are a product of what we're taught at TK.

Originally Posted by Broncofan

IMHO the problem starts at INDOC. We have the “culture” of “don’t worry about it we will get you through if your having problems” and the Indoc test is open book. Meanwhile it’s pretty much expected we all go drinking most nights. I can’t tell you how many times when I was working at TK guys would show up to FTDB1 and when I asked them to tell me the call outs for a go around, they were deer caught in the headlights. Expecting to be spoon fed. Also, one student I had received 10 extra sim sessions. Incredible.

while agree everybody deserves a second and maybe 3rd chance. We need to have a more serious attitude during training and be willing to weed out people who don’t belong in the flight deck. We always say “well regionals have direct entry captains so why can’t we?” It’s because at a regional if you mess up, your out after maybe one extra sim session or after failing a non open book test.

Originally Posted by BlueScholar

There's a FOM test at indoc, and FOM discussions comes up in every sim I've ever been in

Originally Posted by Hedley

Those conversations tend to be pretty basic. After indoc there is never a real measure of FOM knowledge. Someone could almost get by never reading the book again and just following what the norm on the line is. I'd like to see a measure of our current training regarding how much time is spent covering the FOM vs time spent on NPS, disc, core4, and helping Xavier with a problem.

Originally Posted by Hedley

Those conversations tend to be pretty basic. After indoc there is never a real measure of FOM knowledge. Someone could almost get by never reading the book again and just following what the norm on the line is. I'd like to see a measure of our current training regarding how much time is spent covering the FOM vs time spent on NPS, disc, core4, and helping Xavier with a problem.

Originally Posted by FlyPanAm

So how do you guys at DL and AA run charters? Just like a normal revenue flight? Cockpit door closed the whole time during flight? Regular line FAs? Same PAs? Just curious. Not exactly the impression I get from friends there. This inicident will probably result in an industry wide shift in regards to how sports charters are conducted.