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04-08-2024, 10:32 AM

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Hedley

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Originally Posted by NERD

What's more amazing to me, is why someone with that much seniority was still on the POS 737. It's not like we're talking LUV here where that's the only choice. This dude could be flying any damn plane at UAL. I question his sanity more than his skill.

Trips that they consider better, more bidding choices, avoiding all night flying, not going to school for another plane that pays roughly the same.......

04-08-2024, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by NERD

What's more amazing to me, is why someone with that much seniority was still on the POS 737.

Stockholm Syndrome. You don't realize how lousy it really is until you go to a different airplane.

04-08-2024, 11:15 AM

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Hedley

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Originally Posted by jdavk

Stockholm Syndrome. You don't realize how lousy it really is until you go to a different airplane.

Could also be that for some people, what they fly is way down their list of priorities.

04-08-2024, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Hedley

Could also be that for some people, what they fly is way down their list of priorities.

Valid excuse generally, but not for the the 737.

04-08-2024, 12:15 PM

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Technique and "boards" aside, this may have been nothing more than hosing off the mud from the tires at the gate if it wasn't for the "manhole" the gear encountered... and of course, the extra paperwork.

04-08-2024, 12:36 PM

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Can someone explain all this talk about the spoilers? At Delta, using the speedbrake handle to disengage the autobrakes on the 757 was standard, but on the 737 I have never seen it done. The posts on this thread seem to indicate the crew fully stowed the spoilers at a high speed to turn off the brakes, but I thought the technique is to just move the speedbrake handle up a bit and then back down to the fully deployed position. Are United crews fully stowing the spoilers to turn off the autobrakes?

04-08-2024, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Hedley

Could also be that for some people, what they fly is way down their list of priorities.

True, but I'm finding that I'm a lot less fatigued on my days off when I'm not getting beaten up in the sh*tbox at work, and that's worth something. Who knew?

04-08-2024, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by VforVendetta

If you haven't selected the correct autobrakes setting, have floated, etc, yes you have to disconnect the autobrakes early to let it roll or apply manual braking early to increase the deceleration to vacate as planned. Autobrakes disconnect as soon as you've matched the braking pressure applied by the system. There's only a spike if you misjudge and apply more pressure, let go rapidly as autobrakes disengages etc. If that happens to you you should tighten up your skill doing it. Apply pressure gradually until disconnection, then gradually increase or decrease as needed and there won't be a jolt. It's not that hard.

I believe that it is a common misperception that you need to OVERRIDE the current brake pressure. I asked a mechanic at my airline, and he showed me in the Boeing repair manual that it took 1,000-1,200 psi of hydraulic pressure from the brake pedals to disengauge the autobrakes, no matter what the autobrake setting is. Interestingly, I also was taught in ground school and also on IOE that you had to override the autobrakes. Have you ever found that you had been taught wrong? Try this with auto brakes 3 or higher, and I bet that you will be surprised at how little pressure it takes.

This was on the 737-300, (mumble) years ago, so I agree that the design may have changed. I just don't think so.

04-08-2024, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by jdavk

Stockholm Syndrome. You don't realize how lousy it really is until you go to a different airplane.

I’ve flown the 777 and 756, and while I’ll admit they are better planes, they aren’t THAT much better. When I look at NB CAs that for the most part (aside from IAH CAs) are in shape, and look their age vs WB captains that look like death is knocking on the door. I feel like I made a good decision.

04-08-2024, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by 2StgTurbine

The 737 won’t disengage the brakes with just a bump of the lever a la the 757/767. Personally I find using the speedbrake handle in the 737 results in a very jerky release since the brakes just dump. 75/76 has a much more easy release so no problem bumping the handle there. 737 I preferred to just override with foot pedal pressure. Smoother.