Originally Posted by Grumble

You don’t get sarcasm do you?

First time on the internet?

Originally Posted by Grumble

First time on the internet?





Everything you’ve posted in this ranting, sniveling, wandering, disjointed, contradictory, literary diarrhea is completely counter to your underlined point. What you just did was admonish any and all techniques utilized to verify predicted performance, say utilizing techniques approved in the SOPs is dumb, just put blind faith in the system/numbers and essentially close your eyes and stop thinking. You literally wrote paragraphs on why things in the book are dumb, then went on later to say “you’re never smarter than the book”. (The front of every book says something to the effect of “this does not supersede airmanship and judgement”, so yeah there may be a time where you better be able to think outside the book). You ultimately go on to say that to be one “master of your machine” you must be a rote memorization robot, with no situational awareness, one technique, just one thing all the time every time which is completely contrary to how one masters their craft.

“We are all now dumber for having listened to this, and may God have mercy on your soul.”

Originally Posted by ReadOnly7

As an aside from blaming the pilot, I wonder when tower started talking to them…asking for stuff? It seems to be getting worse and worse how often Tower calls you the INSTANT the wheels touch the ground. I’m hurtling down the runway at 160-140 knots, possibly the MOST critical phase of “flight”…..and they want to make requests. I realize the PM is the radio guy….but the PF still has to divide attention, at a time where I really think Tower should $TFU.

Originally Posted by ReadOnly7

As an aside from blaming the pilot, I wonder when tower started talking to them…asking for stuff? It seems to be getting worse and worse how often Tower calls you the INSTANT the wheels touch the ground. I’m hurtling down the runway at 160-140 knots, possibly the MOST critical phase of “flight”…..and they want to make requests. I realize the PM is the radio guy….but the PF still has to divide attention, at a time where I really think Tower should $TFU.

Originally Posted by Beech Dude

I too have noticed and just fall back on aviate, nav, communicate. We do what we need, then I just come back with 'say again'

Ive definitely noticed ATC, namely app and twr folks making it way harder than they need with the tighter than what is needed spacing.

...line up and wait, traffic on a 2.5 mi final...(with dept traffic still sub 100 kts on T/O roll). I'm looking at you TPA...

Originally Posted by ReadOnly7

As an aside from blaming the pilot, I wonder when tower started talking to them…asking for stuff? It seems to be getting worse and worse how often Tower calls you the INSTANT the wheels touch the ground. I’m hurtling down the runway at 160-140 knots, possibly the MOST critical phase of “flight”…..and they want to make requests. I realize the PM is the radio guy….but the PF still has to divide attention, at a time where I really think Tower should $TFU.

Originally Posted by hummingbear

It makes for a much smoother transition to manual braking, and yes, is approved in the FM. Obviously you should only do it when you’re actually ready for manual braking.

Originally Posted by Aquaticus

The fighter pilots want to tell you they flew fighters. If you follow your training you won’t need this “board” technique or half the rules of thumb thrown out here. This is my third airline and eighth type rating. The amount of “well at my old airline…” or “my old unit…” stories that have been useful is absolutely zero. Crazy idea but maybe read the book and try to do that.

Originally Posted by Sliceback

Which book? Boeing's? United's? Delta's? American's? Boeing test pilot - "that's your company's manual. That's not Boeing's manual." AA CKA teaching at DL in retirement. Decade plus on the same airplane as a CKA. "The hardest part is relearning how Delta does it. It's crazy how the same airplane is flown/managed differently at a different airline."

Stow the speedbrake to disarm the auto brakes? I wonder what the Boeing manual says? Any other 737 carriers do that as a SOP ?Yes it disarms them but AFAIR we never used that system as a primary disarming SOP.