You Should Rethink Flying United Airlines
02-06-2024, 05:51 PM
#71
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Joined APC: Dec 2023
Posts: 361
First of all, since this post was created most of my flights have been 85-95% full so no one is heading your warning.IMAGINE THAT.IN addition,DEI doesn't just include African Americans,for you uninformed.It includes women of all races,Latinos,Asian Americans,middle eastern people ,etc.,etc. But when people hear DEI they only think of African Americans. Ridiculous.
Next,every pilot UA has hired recently have all been experienced pilots.They come from the military,regional carriers,cargo carriers,private jet companies etc. This guy seems to think they are hiring guys from Burger King and throwing them in an airplane.
The only exception to that is the aviate academy.But the academy only gets you through your initial ratings,and you still have to obtain your hours and experience through one of the above mentioned avenues.People who post stuff like this dosent understand how the system works.
In addition,no matter who they hire,they must get through our screening and aircraft specific training,which is not easy.That will never change or be sacrificed for anything.
Ive had the pleasure of flying with a couple of our non white captains and ill be the first to say they were great people and excellent pilots.Me,as a white guy,will be the first to say I learned a lot from both of them and I would not hesitate to put my family on their aircraft,I wouldn't give it a second thought.
So sir,if you're so worried about UA,then don't fly on us.Go over to delta. NO WAIT.THEY HAVE A DEI PROGRAM AS WELL.TRY AMERICAN.NOPE.DEI PROGRAM MANAGER AS WELL.try spirit. You seem like you willl fit right in over there.
ALso,I'm willing to bet everything I own that none of those DEI hires you are so concerned about could care less what you say or do or what you think of them.ITs not going to stop them from cashing their 6 figure a year paychecks .
And the facts will show that when there has been an aircraft incident or accident,95% of the time it's white,Caucasian males at the controls.
Chew on that sir.
Next,every pilot UA has hired recently have all been experienced pilots.They come from the military,regional carriers,cargo carriers,private jet companies etc. This guy seems to think they are hiring guys from Burger King and throwing them in an airplane.
The only exception to that is the aviate academy.But the academy only gets you through your initial ratings,and you still have to obtain your hours and experience through one of the above mentioned avenues.People who post stuff like this dosent understand how the system works.
In addition,no matter who they hire,they must get through our screening and aircraft specific training,which is not easy.That will never change or be sacrificed for anything.
Ive had the pleasure of flying with a couple of our non white captains and ill be the first to say they were great people and excellent pilots.Me,as a white guy,will be the first to say I learned a lot from both of them and I would not hesitate to put my family on their aircraft,I wouldn't give it a second thought.
So sir,if you're so worried about UA,then don't fly on us.Go over to delta. NO WAIT.THEY HAVE A DEI PROGRAM AS WELL.TRY AMERICAN.NOPE.DEI PROGRAM MANAGER AS WELL.try spirit. You seem like you willl fit right in over there.
ALso,I'm willing to bet everything I own that none of those DEI hires you are so concerned about could care less what you say or do or what you think of them.ITs not going to stop them from cashing their 6 figure a year paychecks .
And the facts will show that when there has been an aircraft incident or accident,95% of the time it's white,Caucasian males at the controls.
Chew on that sir.
Agreed Hammer, Good Points!
In Unity...
02-07-2024, 05:48 AM
#74
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Joined APC: Apr 2013
Posts: 545
There was a similar program in effect 4 or 5 years ago. They had someflight time previous but not much. Was an absolute disaster. They stopped the program with about 9 people getting hired. I flew with 2 of them and in js on another. Very nice people and book smart but zero big picture. One had been online for 6 months and still had the captain have to assist on landing.
02-07-2024, 05:54 AM
#75
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Joined APC: Jun 2012
Posts: 6,262
You're obviously in a different industry. Because getting on with an airline is all about who you know. A guard buddy, a parent, a neighbor. Insiders have owned who gets on for decades. Now some program that tries to balance that comes along and you all lose your minds.
Fragile egos. You children continuing to bring this up week after week only justifies how necessary the programs are.
Fragile egos. You children continuing to bring this up week after week only justifies how necessary the programs are.
Forget the current politically correct "diversity" buzzwords. It's long been known, and long been the case that a white, male pilot at United required more hours and experience to come aboard than a black pilot, or female pilot, yada, yada. That's not limited to United. That's not "equal opportunity," either. That's not an egotistical observation, not is it an emotional one. I don't really care if that's how United does business. United isn't the only one.
I had an application for a federal position a number of years ago, and hadn't heard back. I contacted the office handling the vacancy. I was told to standby, while they grabbed my packet. Instead of reviewing my qualifications (It was a fire position, and I was one of three people in the country who applied who had aerial supervision, air attack, ground fire, heavy tanker, single engine tanker, etc experience...very qualified), I was simply told, "It says here that you're white." Yes, I replied. "You didn't claim any preference points." No. "Are you gay?" No, but ask my wife. "Are you native American, by chance?" No. "You didn't claim veteran preference." I didn't claim any preference. Lots of experience. "We appreciate you applying, and we'll keep your app on file because it makes our stats look good, but you don't stand a chance. If you were a wounded native american lesbian asthmatic amputee veteran, you'd be guaranteed the job."
Shortly after that another vacanc closed, and I was contacted by someone I knew well, doing the final round of interviews. I knew I was on the short list. I was later contacted by the same person to advise that while notification wasn't normally given that I didn't get the job, he was calling to tell me that I didn't get the job. He noted that I was one of three applicants finally considered, but that it had gone to xx. I knew xx (not a big industry). She was a nice person, nothing against her, but inexperienced. She had a couple of seasons right seat in a tanker. The hiring location had experienced a sexual harassment suit, by a woman who worked at that base, claiming she didn't get the position she wanted, because she was female. She won a large settlement, kept her job, and only came in sporadically to check in, and continued receiving her government salary. The base/unit was anxious to hire a woman to show no prejudice. That person got the job, lasted a season, and left. Life goes on. "Diversity."
That's not ego. It's experience, and perhaps you've not been in the industry long enough to see it. I have. Airlines. Government. Charter. Corporate. Fractional. Yada, yada. Not just at United. It exists. It's real. I was paired up with a fractional F/O one morning, his leg, and when it came to the takeoff brief, he simply said, "we're gonna take off and turn left." I asked him about speeds, and he said, "we're gonna go fast." Without the story, I'll just say that he had no business being in a cockpit, and yet. there he was. I sat behind a woman doing OE at another operator, flying internationally, for 120 of her OE hours (she ultimately got 190 before she was fired, for the third time (she didn't make it through training the first time, was recycled, finally typed, struggled, couldn't fly her way out of a wet paper bag. Really bad, but they kept putting her through, changing check airmen, instructors, and gave her far more latitude and opportunity than would have been accorded a male applicant). One can call that "equal opportunity" all one wishes, but it doesn't make it true.
Are my feathers ruffled? No. I don't care. Does it upset me? No. I don't care. I have a job. i'm not threatened by others getting a job, keeping a job, or seeking a job. I do have eyes, and I do have wrinkles and some grey wrought on by a little experience. I have been there, and I have done that, and I have a lot of tee shirts. "Diversity" is the buzzword now, but while the words have changed, the tune is still the same. I don't much care about ethnicity, religion, political party, nationality, favorite cartoon animal, sexual orientation, hair color, choice of drug, sock texture, body piercing, culture, fear of spiders, or dental history, but I do give a damn whether one can fly one's way out of a wet paper bag, and get along in the cockpit for the duration of an assignment (be it an hour or a few weeks). I do care if I can rely on the guy, gal, it, they, them, they, grranimal, or leperchaun in the other seat to be professional, knowledgeable, proficient, skilled, and experienced enough to do their job and know what the **** they are doing. Not really too much to ask.
02-07-2024, 06:17 AM
#77
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I've worked for a few airlines. Been in the business for a few years. A few types. I've yet to get a job based on anyone I knew. I've yet to get a job based on a recommendation. I've yet to seek someone out and ask if they could "get me in." I've yet to drop a name in an interview, in the hopes of gaining advantage. There's no ego involved. I apply. I get hired. Or I don't. It's worked for four decades.
Forget the current politically correct "diversity" buzzwords. It's long been known, and long been the case that a white, male pilot at United required more hours and experience to come aboard than a black pilot, or female pilot, yada, yada. That's not limited to United. That's not "equal opportunity," either. That's not an egotistical observation, not is it an emotional one. I don't really care if that's how United does business. United isn't the only one.
I had an application for a federal position a number of years ago, and hadn't heard back. I contacted the office handling the vacancy. I was told to standby, while they grabbed my packet. Instead of reviewing my qualifications (It was a fire position, and I was one of three people in the country who applied who had aerial supervision, air attack, ground fire, heavy tanker, single engine tanker, etc experience...very qualified), I was simply told, "It says here that you're white." Yes, I replied. "You didn't claim any preference points." No. "Are you gay?" No, but ask my wife. "Are you native American, by chance?" No. "You didn't claim veteran preference." I didn't claim any preference. Lots of experience. "We appreciate you applying, and we'll keep your app on file because it makes our stats look good, but you don't stand a chance. If you were a wounded native american lesbian asthmatic amputee veteran, you'd be guaranteed the job."
Shortly after that another vacanc closed, and I was contacted by someone I knew well, doing the final round of interviews. I knew I was on the short list. I was later contacted by the same person to advise that while notification wasn't normally given that I didn't get the job, he was calling to tell me that I didn't get the job. He noted that I was one of three applicants finally considered, but that it had gone to xx. I knew xx (not a big industry). She was a nice person, nothing against her, but inexperienced. She had a couple of seasons right seat in a tanker. The hiring location had experienced a sexual harassment suit, by a woman who worked at that base, claiming she didn't get the position she wanted, because she was female. She won a large settlement, kept her job, and only came in sporadically to check in, and continued receiving her government salary. The base/unit was anxious to hire a woman to show no prejudice. That person got the job, lasted a season, and left. Life goes on. "Diversity."
That's not ego. It's experience, and perhaps you've not been in the industry long enough to see it. I have. Airlines. Government. Charter. Corporate. Fractional. Yada, yada. Not just at United. It exists. It's real. I was paired up with a fractional F/O one morning, his leg, and when it came to the takeoff brief, he simply said, "we're gonna take off and turn left." I asked him about speeds, and he said, "we're gonna go fast." Without the story, I'll just say that he had no business being in a cockpit, and yet. there he was. I sat behind a woman doing OE at another operator, flying internationally, for 120 of her OE hours (she ultimately got 190 before she was fired, for the third time (she didn't make it through training the first time, was recycled, finally typed, struggled, couldn't fly her way out of a wet paper bag. Really bad, but they kept putting her through, changing check airmen, instructors, and gave her far more latitude and opportunity than would have been accorded a male applicant). One can call that "equal opportunity" all one wishes, but it doesn't make it true.
Are my feathers ruffled? No. I don't care. Does it upset me? No. I don't care. I have a job. i'm not threatened by others getting a job, keeping a job, or seeking a job. I do have eyes, and I do have wrinkles and some grey wrought on by a little experience. I have been there, and I have done that, and I have a lot of tee shirts. "Diversity" is the buzzword now, but while the words have changed, the tune is still the same. I don't much care about ethnicity, religion, political party, nationality, favorite cartoon animal, sexual orientation, hair color, choice of drug, sock texture, body piercing, culture, fear of spiders, or dental history, but I do give a damn whether one can fly one's way out of a wet paper bag, and get along in the cockpit for the duration of an assignment (be it an hour or a few weeks). I do care if I can rely on the guy, gal, it, they, them, they, grranimal, or leperchaun in the other seat to be professional, knowledgeable, proficient, skilled, and experienced enough to do their job and know what the **** they are doing. Not really too much to ask.
Forget the current politically correct "diversity" buzzwords. It's long been known, and long been the case that a white, male pilot at United required more hours and experience to come aboard than a black pilot, or female pilot, yada, yada. That's not limited to United. That's not "equal opportunity," either. That's not an egotistical observation, not is it an emotional one. I don't really care if that's how United does business. United isn't the only one.
I had an application for a federal position a number of years ago, and hadn't heard back. I contacted the office handling the vacancy. I was told to standby, while they grabbed my packet. Instead of reviewing my qualifications (It was a fire position, and I was one of three people in the country who applied who had aerial supervision, air attack, ground fire, heavy tanker, single engine tanker, etc experience...very qualified), I was simply told, "It says here that you're white." Yes, I replied. "You didn't claim any preference points." No. "Are you gay?" No, but ask my wife. "Are you native American, by chance?" No. "You didn't claim veteran preference." I didn't claim any preference. Lots of experience. "We appreciate you applying, and we'll keep your app on file because it makes our stats look good, but you don't stand a chance. If you were a wounded native american lesbian asthmatic amputee veteran, you'd be guaranteed the job."
Shortly after that another vacanc closed, and I was contacted by someone I knew well, doing the final round of interviews. I knew I was on the short list. I was later contacted by the same person to advise that while notification wasn't normally given that I didn't get the job, he was calling to tell me that I didn't get the job. He noted that I was one of three applicants finally considered, but that it had gone to xx. I knew xx (not a big industry). She was a nice person, nothing against her, but inexperienced. She had a couple of seasons right seat in a tanker. The hiring location had experienced a sexual harassment suit, by a woman who worked at that base, claiming she didn't get the position she wanted, because she was female. She won a large settlement, kept her job, and only came in sporadically to check in, and continued receiving her government salary. The base/unit was anxious to hire a woman to show no prejudice. That person got the job, lasted a season, and left. Life goes on. "Diversity."
That's not ego. It's experience, and perhaps you've not been in the industry long enough to see it. I have. Airlines. Government. Charter. Corporate. Fractional. Yada, yada. Not just at United. It exists. It's real. I was paired up with a fractional F/O one morning, his leg, and when it came to the takeoff brief, he simply said, "we're gonna take off and turn left." I asked him about speeds, and he said, "we're gonna go fast." Without the story, I'll just say that he had no business being in a cockpit, and yet. there he was. I sat behind a woman doing OE at another operator, flying internationally, for 120 of her OE hours (she ultimately got 190 before she was fired, for the third time (she didn't make it through training the first time, was recycled, finally typed, struggled, couldn't fly her way out of a wet paper bag. Really bad, but they kept putting her through, changing check airmen, instructors, and gave her far more latitude and opportunity than would have been accorded a male applicant). One can call that "equal opportunity" all one wishes, but it doesn't make it true.
Are my feathers ruffled? No. I don't care. Does it upset me? No. I don't care. I have a job. i'm not threatened by others getting a job, keeping a job, or seeking a job. I do have eyes, and I do have wrinkles and some grey wrought on by a little experience. I have been there, and I have done that, and I have a lot of tee shirts. "Diversity" is the buzzword now, but while the words have changed, the tune is still the same. I don't much care about ethnicity, religion, political party, nationality, favorite cartoon animal, sexual orientation, hair color, choice of drug, sock texture, body piercing, culture, fear of spiders, or dental history, but I do give a damn whether one can fly one's way out of a wet paper bag, and get along in the cockpit for the duration of an assignment (be it an hour or a few weeks). I do care if I can rely on the guy, gal, it, they, them, they, grranimal, or leperchaun in the other seat to be professional, knowledgeable, proficient, skilled, and experienced enough to do their job and know what the **** they are doing. Not really too much to ask.
02-08-2024, 07:39 AM
#78
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Joined APC: Mar 2008
Position: 757/767 First Officer
Posts: 366
I was simply told, "It says here that you're white." Yes, I replied. "You didn't claim any preference points." No. "Are you gay?" No, but ask my wife. "Are you native American, by chance?" No. "You didn't claim veteran preference." I didn't claim any preference. Lots of experience. "We appreciate you applying, and we'll keep your app on file because it makes our stats look good, but you don't stand a chance. If you were a wounded native american lesbian asthmatic amputee veteran, you'd be guaranteed the job."
02-08-2024, 08:06 PM
#80
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Joined APC: Dec 2018
Posts: 59
First of all, since this post was created most of my flights have been 85-95% full so no one is heading your warning.IMAGINE THAT.IN addition,DEI doesn't just include African Americans,for you uninformed.It includes women of all races,Latinos,Asian Americans,middle eastern people ,etc.,etc. But when people hear DEI they only think of African Americans. Ridiculous.
Next,every pilot UA has hired recently have all been experienced pilots.They come from the military,regional carriers,cargo carriers,private jet companies etc. This guy seems to think they are hiring guys from Burger King and throwing them in an airplane.
The only exception to that is the aviate academy.But the academy only gets you through your initial ratings,and you still have to obtain your hours and experience through one of the above mentioned avenues.People who post stuff like this dosent understand how the system works.
In addition,no matter who they hire,they must get through our screening and aircraft specific training,which is not easy.That will never change or be sacrificed for anything.
Ive had the pleasure of flying with a couple of our non white captains and ill be the first to say they were great people and excellent pilots.Me,as a white guy,will be the first to say I learned a lot from both of them and I would not hesitate to put my family on their aircraft,I wouldn't give it a second thought.
So sir,if you're so worried about UA,then don't fly on us.Go over to delta. NO WAIT.THEY HAVE A DEI PROGRAM AS WELL.TRY AMERICAN.NOPE.DEI PROGRAM MANAGER AS WELL.try spirit. You seem like you willl fit right in over there.
ALso,I'm willing to bet everything I own that none of those DEI hires you are so concerned about could care less what you say or do or what you think of them.ITs not going to stop them from cashing their 6 figure a year paychecks .
And the facts will show that when there has been an aircraft incident or accident,95% of the time it's white,Caucasian males at the controls.
Chew on that sir.
Next,every pilot UA has hired recently have all been experienced pilots.They come from the military,regional carriers,cargo carriers,private jet companies etc. This guy seems to think they are hiring guys from Burger King and throwing them in an airplane.
The only exception to that is the aviate academy.But the academy only gets you through your initial ratings,and you still have to obtain your hours and experience through one of the above mentioned avenues.People who post stuff like this dosent understand how the system works.
In addition,no matter who they hire,they must get through our screening and aircraft specific training,which is not easy.That will never change or be sacrificed for anything.
Ive had the pleasure of flying with a couple of our non white captains and ill be the first to say they were great people and excellent pilots.Me,as a white guy,will be the first to say I learned a lot from both of them and I would not hesitate to put my family on their aircraft,I wouldn't give it a second thought.
So sir,if you're so worried about UA,then don't fly on us.Go over to delta. NO WAIT.THEY HAVE A DEI PROGRAM AS WELL.TRY AMERICAN.NOPE.DEI PROGRAM MANAGER AS WELL.try spirit. You seem like you willl fit right in over there.
ALso,I'm willing to bet everything I own that none of those DEI hires you are so concerned about could care less what you say or do or what you think of them.ITs not going to stop them from cashing their 6 figure a year paychecks .
And the facts will show that when there has been an aircraft incident or accident,95% of the time it's white,Caucasian males at the controls.
Chew on that sir.
expect ad hominem attacks anon...
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