UAL vs DAL vs AA
#51
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In regards to American vs United, I've done some research and would wondering if the experts on here could fact check what I'm seeing. All of this comes with the caveat that there is no crystal ball and living in base is always the best option.
A lot of people on APC are saying that the bulk of United's hiring is done while a good amount of American's hiring is ahead of it, so could that be a deciding factor in picking American over United?
United is trying to grow right now so it appears the current hiring is based off expanding their business where at American they seem to be modernizing their fleet and replacing the Captains that are above 60 and are about to retire. Sustaining their operation at American instead of trying to grow the way United is.
A lot of people on APC are saying that the bulk of United's hiring is done while a good amount of American's hiring is ahead of it, so could that be a deciding factor in picking American over United?
United is trying to grow right now so it appears the current hiring is based off expanding their business where at American they seem to be modernizing their fleet and replacing the Captains that are above 60 and are about to retire. Sustaining their operation at American instead of trying to grow the way United is.
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In regards to American vs United, I've done some research and would wondering if the experts on here could fact check what I'm seeing. All of this comes with the caveat that there is no crystal ball and living in base is always the best option.
A lot of people on APC are saying that the bulk of United's hiring is done while a good amount of American's hiring is ahead of it, so could that be a deciding factor in picking American over United?
United is trying to grow right now so it appears the current hiring is based off expanding their business where at American they seem to be modernizing their fleet and replacing the Captains that are above 60 and are about to retire. Sustaining their operation at American instead of trying to grow the way United is.
A lot of people on APC are saying that the bulk of United's hiring is done while a good amount of American's hiring is ahead of it, so could that be a deciding factor in picking American over United?
United is trying to grow right now so it appears the current hiring is based off expanding their business where at American they seem to be modernizing their fleet and replacing the Captains that are above 60 and are about to retire. Sustaining their operation at American instead of trying to grow the way United is.
American doesn't think it can really grow while United thinks it can. Much of these different philosophies are due to how each airline generates revenue. American has had strong domestic focus, particularly with its usage of RJs while United traditionally had a strong international focus which ended up biting them when US domestic travel came back well before international travel during the pandemic.
#53
Unless COVID 2.0 breaks out or another Black Swan event hits soon, UAL's hiring is nowhere near done. We've only taken on a fraction of the aircraft we have on order simply to replace all of the RJs that have been parked, and pilot retirements are ongoing. Check back on what APC is saying in 5 years.
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Unless COVID 2.0 breaks out or another Black Swan event hits soon, UAL's hiring is nowhere near done. We've only taken on a fraction of the aircraft we have on order simply to replace all of the RJs that have been parked, and pilot retirements are ongoing. Check back on what APC is saying in 5 years.
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Both UAL and AA are done hiring 40 year old future widebody captains. Americans latest orders are to replace domestic aircraft they retired during Covid, and to buy more RJs. United's orders are to correct years of neglect of its domestic network as well as expand to replace international market share caused by OAL pullbacks during Covid.
American doesn't think it can really grow while United thinks it can. Much of these different philosophies are due to how each airline generates revenue. American has had strong domestic focus, particularly with its usage of RJs while United traditionally had a strong international focus which ended up biting them when US domestic travel came back well before international travel during the pandemic.
American doesn't think it can really grow while United thinks it can. Much of these different philosophies are due to how each airline generates revenue. American has had strong domestic focus, particularly with its usage of RJs while United traditionally had a strong international focus which ended up biting them when US domestic travel came back well before international travel during the pandemic.
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Unless COVID 2.0 breaks out or another Black Swan event hits soon, UAL's hiring is nowhere near done. We've only taken on a fraction of the aircraft we have on order simply to replace all of the RJs that have been parked, and pilot retirements are ongoing. Check back on what APC is saying in 5 years.
Is the consensus on here that is out of date information that does not apply to the current situation at United with the hiring and aircraft purchases? I live in Chicago and would love to come here, it just makes me a bit nervous so that is why I'm asking.
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So the exact words that have been said to me by Captains at the ULCC I am at is that "United hires deep and then furloaghs deep". However I just want to fact check that on here with the experts.
Is the consensus on here that is out of date information that does not apply to the current situation at United with the hiring and aircraft purchases? I live in Chicago and would love to come here, it just makes me a bit nervous so that is why I'm asking.
Is the consensus on here that is out of date information that does not apply to the current situation at United with the hiring and aircraft purchases? I live in Chicago and would love to come here, it just makes me a bit nervous so that is why I'm asking.
#59
So the exact words that have been said to me by Captains at the ULCC I am at is that "United hires deep and then furloaghs deep". However I just want to fact check that on here with the experts.
Is the consensus on here that is out of date information that does not apply to the current situation at United with the hiring and aircraft purchases? I live in Chicago and would love to come here, it just makes me a bit nervous so that is why I'm asking.
Is the consensus on here that is out of date information that does not apply to the current situation at United with the hiring and aircraft purchases? I live in Chicago and would love to come here, it just makes me a bit nervous so that is why I'm asking.
Every week you try to read the tea leaves another 70 are ahead of you. Go all in......
And this coming from a guy that was furloughed 7 months after Indoc when I got here. It was still worth it.
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So the exact words that have been said to me by Captains at the ULCC I am at is that "United hires deep and then furloaghs deep". However I just want to fact check that on here with the experts.
Is the consensus on here that is out of date information that does not apply to the current situation at United with the hiring and aircraft purchases? I live in Chicago and would love to come here, it just makes me a bit nervous so that is why I'm asking.
Is the consensus on here that is out of date information that does not apply to the current situation at United with the hiring and aircraft purchases? I live in Chicago and would love to come here, it just makes me a bit nervous so that is why I'm asking.
It sucks to jump to the bottom of a seniority list. But to me there are high risk moves and low risk moves and the jump to the big 3 and a few others seems like a pretty reasonable risk. I have a good friend at a regional who has shied away from making this jump for the past 10+ years due to risk aversion. Now he is actively thinking of applying again. That's 8-10k pilots ahead at every major in that timeframe. They're all good moves. Really they still are even for someone who waited that long. FWIW at UAL we hit I think 2500 newhires this year and we have a massive new training building going up with I think a dozen more sims coming online next year. I don't think that was a billion dollar plus vanity project.
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