MrIceCreamMan

I haven't been on the forums in a while. I interviewed under UMPP in April. It went well (I used Emerald Coast), and I received a call/email the following Monday to congratulate me and welcome me to the UMPP. My availability is in the Fall of this year (2024). If you have questions, please post them! Best of luck to those waiting for an interview!

MindFuzz

I'm in the same boat as well. I've been flying with a low time instrument-rated dude working on his commercial time building as a safety pilot while he rocks the foggles. It's not glamorous but it's better than paying $170 an hour for all 50 hours.

gingerbread89

Applied in Feb, got the invite for the Hogan and completed it on the 11th. Haven't heard anything back yet, has the trend been to get an email invite the next day, or will they send a TBNT email?

KnightNight

id contact them, my understanding is the hogan is no longer a decision point, instead it’s part of your overall interview “score” after coming to Denver.

you might have missed something or fallen through a crack , I believe it’s around there that the plans for June/July classes changed.

Shonto

UMPP. Did my Hogan on a Friday night (same day as invite) and got the interview email the next Thursday. Same story from the other two folks that had the same week as I did that I knew. Have heard of folks getting Interview e-mail hours after Hogan, and others as long as we waited. I did not get the impression that the Hogan was a show-stopper unless your interview performance warrented a closer look.

Billykjo

Has anyone with a CJO through the UMPP received an indoc date yet? I'm available the end of September and my profile is now locked and in review once I submitted my transition docs. I'm more wondering if we will just get dates in order of CJO like normal hires or if we will be prioritized differently.

elvis16

Apologies if this is in the wrong place to ask, but I haven't gotten a solid answer. Can I log PIC for T-6/T-38 time in UPT if I had a private going into UPT?

rickair7777

Hopefully others weigh in, but here are my non-definitive thoughts...

1. You can definitely log FAA time for equivalent military time, ie military PIC. Presumably during UPT you were only PIC during solo. You should be able to log that. The IP was PIC when onboard, so I think your question is can you log PIC while an IP was onboard.

Civilians who are rated in an aircraft can in fact log PIC while getting dual instruction from an instructor under certain circumstances.

2. T-6: ASEL Propellor plane. I think you can log this as civilian PIC assuming you had an ASEL PPL. ASEL propellor aircraft require no additional type rating or certification other than a basic pilot rating in category and class. Not a good idea, but you can basically jump in any prop ASEL and just go fly.

3. For FAA purposes, turbojet aircraft require a type rating. So you'd need the FAA type rating for that aircraft (if that even exists) and also an FAA AMEL pilot rating since it's twin engine. I doubt you had those ratings, so T-38 probably isn't PIC (except solo).

Circling back to logging dual instruction as PIC... there are two mechanisms for that.

a) Actual PIC. This is where it is agreed or directed that the student IS the actual PIC, and the instructor is basically in an advisory role for command purposes. This happens sometimes in the civilian world, but probably did not happen in UPT.

b) Sole manipulator PIC. This version of PIC derives from being the guy who actually flew the plane, if the other pilot or instructor was actually the PIC of record. This is probably what you'd be entitled to as a T-6 student with an ASEL PPL.

Two caveats...

- Sole Man. PIC, while totally FAA legal and useable for FAA purposes, is not what most employers want. When you fill out applications they typically want "Actual" PIC, ie you signed for the airplane.

- If you apply and interview with "unusual" logged time, compared to what they are accustomed to seeing, you will have some explaining to do and if they doubt your logic, you're not getting hired. You don't have to be wrong, the interviewers just have to suspect that you're wrong (or intentionally padding your time) and you're done.

If you do log this time, I'd do it in a separate column from actual PIC. As I said it might be useful for some FAA purpose like an ATP... but even so, on checkride day if the examiner isn't familiar or comfortable with your unusual aeronautical experience you might have the ride discontinued if he's not sure you have all the requisite aeronautical experience. If you use that time for an FAA rating, I'd discuss it well in advance with the examiner, to clear the air.

TurquoiseLine

UPT time, other than solo, is not PIC time to the airlines.

They don’t care about FAA sole manipulator of control BS, you weren’t the PIC

elvis16

Appreciate the answers. Won't be logging it as PIC.