Bird in the hand? (another UA/DAL thread)
#21
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Joined APC: Mar 2018
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In a similar situation and looking into it as much information as possible. Currently have CJO at both (and SW). For some background, I’m separating from the military and am lining up a guard job in Nashville where all of mine and my wife’s family is from. I’ve started a pro/cons list but would love to add more into what im missing as I’m new into this. Like everyone I’m sure, I’d like to get to a point of flying min trips a month and almost 2 legs a day. Thanks!
UA
Pros: Widebody options quickly, good seniority progression,
Cons: Commuting (5 mainline flights/day max to most bases)
Retirements: 6,500 (10 years) 10,000 (20 years)
DL
Pros: Widebody options (eventually) 1 hr flight to ATL with 10 mainline flights/day, can drive in a pinch (4 hrs)
Cons: Missed hiring wave, lower seniority progression, Commuting but driveable.
Retirements: 5,200 (10 years) 7,300 (20 years)
SW
Pros: No Commute, Can drop schedule.
Cons: 737 and 2-3 legs/day for the next 30 years, no option for widebody, stovepipe upgrade to CA
UA
Pros: Widebody options quickly, good seniority progression,
Cons: Commuting (5 mainline flights/day max to most bases)
Retirements: 6,500 (10 years) 10,000 (20 years)
DL
Pros: Widebody options (eventually) 1 hr flight to ATL with 10 mainline flights/day, can drive in a pinch (4 hrs)
Cons: Missed hiring wave, lower seniority progression, Commuting but driveable.
Retirements: 5,200 (10 years) 7,300 (20 years)
SW
Pros: No Commute, Can drop schedule.
Cons: 737 and 2-3 legs/day for the next 30 years, no option for widebody, stovepipe upgrade to CA
#22
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The money aspect really doesn’t concern me, they all pay well. It’s job satisfaction and enjoying the flying I’d be doing that is my number 1.
#23
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Joined APC: Nov 2022
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you can’t drop anything at SWA. There is no actually function to drop a trip. Can trade or giveaway to another pilot only.
#24
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I don't know if there's anything in the current contract negotiations to address dropping trips.
#25
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Hey everyone! I'm in a pretty good spot right now and was looking for a little bit of help...
I'm 23 and just past 1500TT (~750 turbine ~220TPIC in a PC12) and am an FO for Frontier. I live in Denver and intend to stay in the Denver metro area long term. Could maybe do NorCal/Eastern Cal in the mtns but otherwise I'm pretty firmly planted here. I went to OBAP last August and am planning on LPA next week and RTAG next month. There's no doubt in my mind UA is the best place for me long term. As far as I'm aware United is the best place to head right now to catch what's left of the retirement wave, and with my roots in Denver having the TC here will be nice when it comes time for recurrent + if I ever decide to become a sim instructor. That all said, due to my OBAP attendance I have an interview date with Delta in the coming weeks. Assuming I don't fumble it... WWYD?
I'm finally living in a domicile where I'm happy, no longer abused by a 135 and I'm getting paid well + driving to work for F9. At DAL I'll be a permanent commuter, I'll gain (less than UA/AA) seniority for about 5-10 years before largely stagnating until I'm at least 50, and I'll likely never see WBFO or even NBCA (without commuting to NYC) until I'm in my 40s at the earliest. I recognize there are plenty of people who are age 35+ before they get the call and are permanent commuters and have happy, long careers with Delta, but if United is ultimately my goal could taking the (potential) Delta offer and starting class with them hurt my chances of hopping over to UA? While I'm glad Delta is okay with my lower logbook times, if UA isn't I worry that I could potentially shoot myself in the foot going to new hire class in ATL and not building flight time for 2-3mo that would otherwise qualify me for a United interview. On the other hand, who turns down a (potential) job offer with a legacy carrier? I could always turn it down, not get my UA interview and get "stuck" at F9. Not the end of the world, but I'd much rather commute to SLC for DAL than fly DEN-TPA redeyes at F9 the rest of my career.
Thoughts?
Questions?
Insults?
Thanks, y'all
I'm 23 and just past 1500TT (~750 turbine ~220TPIC in a PC12) and am an FO for Frontier. I live in Denver and intend to stay in the Denver metro area long term. Could maybe do NorCal/Eastern Cal in the mtns but otherwise I'm pretty firmly planted here. I went to OBAP last August and am planning on LPA next week and RTAG next month. There's no doubt in my mind UA is the best place for me long term. As far as I'm aware United is the best place to head right now to catch what's left of the retirement wave, and with my roots in Denver having the TC here will be nice when it comes time for recurrent + if I ever decide to become a sim instructor. That all said, due to my OBAP attendance I have an interview date with Delta in the coming weeks. Assuming I don't fumble it... WWYD?
I'm finally living in a domicile where I'm happy, no longer abused by a 135 and I'm getting paid well + driving to work for F9. At DAL I'll be a permanent commuter, I'll gain (less than UA/AA) seniority for about 5-10 years before largely stagnating until I'm at least 50, and I'll likely never see WBFO or even NBCA (without commuting to NYC) until I'm in my 40s at the earliest. I recognize there are plenty of people who are age 35+ before they get the call and are permanent commuters and have happy, long careers with Delta, but if United is ultimately my goal could taking the (potential) Delta offer and starting class with them hurt my chances of hopping over to UA? While I'm glad Delta is okay with my lower logbook times, if UA isn't I worry that I could potentially shoot myself in the foot going to new hire class in ATL and not building flight time for 2-3mo that would otherwise qualify me for a United interview. On the other hand, who turns down a (potential) job offer with a legacy carrier? I could always turn it down, not get my UA interview and get "stuck" at F9. Not the end of the world, but I'd much rather commute to SLC for DAL than fly DEN-TPA redeyes at F9 the rest of my career.
Thoughts?
Questions?
Insults?
Thanks, y'all
How are you tied down at 23? Wife? Kids? Enjoy the world, explore and have fun. You have 42 yrs left (maybe 44?) which gives you all the time in the world. I remember being 23 in 2007 on a CRJ at 20.73/hr. You've got it made no matter what you decide.
#26
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You didn't miss anything, it's just your assumptions weren't all correct (like the drops). It's generally the same at all the companies you are talking about here. But like I said, really doesn't matter. If you have the choice to not commute, do that. The other differences between the companies probably wont add or subtract from your happiness significantly enough to matter. If you were commuter to all 3, it would be a different answer.
#27
Go to the RTAG convention and sign up for a UAL onsite interview.
If you’ve met United at OBAP and they haven’t called, updating your application with Delta should make you more enticing. 23 and 1500TT is your restriction on your ATP removed yet? That could be the issue.
If you’ve met United at OBAP and they haven’t called, updating your application with Delta should make you more enticing. 23 and 1500TT is your restriction on your ATP removed yet? That could be the issue.
#28
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Joined APC: Mar 2023
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Never got a restricted ATP. Qualified w 1440ish and a bunch of FFS time (135/142). Went to OBAP (was below 1500 but had unrestricted ATP at the time) went to LPA (above 1500 but too recent to say whether it helped or not) and I have an RTAG ticket. On-site interview slots closed Sept 9th ish but I’ll still be there with logbooks ready to interview
#29
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