Pros / Cons
09-26-2023, 10:34 AM
#123
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09-26-2023, 02:30 PM
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09-27-2023, 09:56 AM
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09-27-2023, 10:52 AM
#126
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When the captain bids started being unfilled, they started moving the vacancies to where pilots actuallly want to be based. That will never, ever, ever, ever happen again. Humongous concession, the effect of which we will never even really be able to measure. Everyone has gotten "retro fever" and is turning blind eyes to huge red flags. You think this wont effect you because you are already in the seat/base you want to be in but it will undoubtedly stunt the growth below you.
Its also selling short the future pilots in a huge way, pilots who are forced to upgrade will inevitably be forced into bases they dont want to be in, transferring out to the base where they want to be as a captain will take years instead of the months that it does for their classmates.
A yes vote is selling out yourselves and future pilots. Full stop.
Its also selling short the future pilots in a huge way, pilots who are forced to upgrade will inevitably be forced into bases they dont want to be in, transferring out to the base where they want to be as a captain will take years instead of the months that it does for their classmates.
A yes vote is selling out yourselves and future pilots. Full stop.
I don’t have access to the numbers anymore but you do. I know that it was a fact before I left and that it’s even discussed on the ALA podcast in April or June.
And, maybe you aren’t losing peoples to FDX and UPS BECAUSE THEY STOPPED HIRING! Lol
UPS is even offering early retirement!
You voted in an objectively sub-par contract and if the management over there weren’t “kind enough” to go above and beyond that joke of a snap up clause you’d be even further behind. You KNOW it’s bad when mgmt agrees to give you more money when they don’t have to! I don’t think you want to be in this thread claiming to be any kind of authority because less than a year ago you proved you aren’t. Everyone with internet access can see you made a bad deal and were defending it! Laughable.
And, maybe you aren’t losing peoples to FDX and UPS BECAUSE THEY STOPPED HIRING! Lol
UPS is even offering early retirement!
You voted in an objectively sub-par contract and if the management over there weren’t “kind enough” to go above and beyond that joke of a snap up clause you’d be even further behind. You KNOW it’s bad when mgmt agrees to give you more money when they don’t have to! I don’t think you want to be in this thread claiming to be any kind of authority because less than a year ago you proved you aren’t. Everyone with internet access can see you made a bad deal and were defending it! Laughable.
For you to suggest that pilots here are selling newhires down the river for a retro check is frankly very insulting. I don't care about section 3 - I have always wanted QOL gains. And I don't see what you describe as a major concession to be more than a very minor concession in exchange for much greater QOL gains.
If you softened your predictions from proclamations of certitiude to something more along the lines of 'likely', 'possibly', or 'I expect', I would find less reason to question your credentials. Instead, you choose to post as if you have perfect insight on the future for United pilots.
Getting back to the topic at hand, rather than make this all about you. This TA will pass and likely to be in effect for the next six years, warts and all. No one has rebutted my statement that this contract has the most QOL gains in the last
09-28-2023, 12:02 AM
#127
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I chose the SME term over 'know it all' to soften the comment, as all of my posts questioning your credentails are considered by some as personal attacks. They're not; they are to establish that you have very little first hand experience as a United pilot. And frankly, you've done nothing to show that you have much piloting experience.
For you to suggest that pilots here are selling newhires down the river for a retro check is frankly very insulting. I don't care about section 3 - I have always wanted QOL gains. And I don't see what you describe as a major concession to be more than a very minor concession in exchange for much greater QOL gains.
If you softened your predictions from proclamations of certitiude to something more along the lines of 'likely', 'possibly', or 'I expect', I would find less reason to question your credentials. Instead, you choose to post as if you have perfect insight on the future for United pilots.
Getting back to the topic at hand, rather than make this all about you. This TA will pass and likely to be in effect for the next six years, warts and all. No one has rebutted my statement that this contract has the most QOL gains in the last25 30 years. Given that reality, is there any airline that currently has a signifcantly better contract?
For you to suggest that pilots here are selling newhires down the river for a retro check is frankly very insulting. I don't care about section 3 - I have always wanted QOL gains. And I don't see what you describe as a major concession to be more than a very minor concession in exchange for much greater QOL gains.
If you softened your predictions from proclamations of certitiude to something more along the lines of 'likely', 'possibly', or 'I expect', I would find less reason to question your credentials. Instead, you choose to post as if you have perfect insight on the future for United pilots.
Getting back to the topic at hand, rather than make this all about you. This TA will pass and likely to be in effect for the next six years, warts and all. No one has rebutted my statement that this contract has the most QOL gains in the last
Me stating facts about industry events and making linear, cogent, and logical deductions from those events is not the same as me making any kind of claim about myself like you said.
You like to exaggerate and make wild accusations and assumptions. Then when you're challenged you feel entitled to know somebody's personal history in order to qualify them as worthy of having an opinion contrary to yours. I'd like to think that if this whole conversation took place over a beer at the Hilton bar that you would quickly realize that I have more than enough industry experience to warrant being heard, but I'm afraid you just don't seem like that type.
09-29-2023, 09:44 PM
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…so you were making a joke where you were the punchline? Good one.
What you still can’t seem to grasp after all that has taken place is that you voted in a sub par contract because that’s all the NC could get WITHOUT A NO VOTE! If it was voted down (like united) then the Delta rates would have come out a few weeks later and the NC could have likely gotten you much more (like United did). You cant see that just by looking at what your peers have done but I’m the one without brains. Riiiiiiight. Or maybe you can clearly see that you sold yourself short and you are desperately trying to justify your shortsighted, impulsive, fear-based decision which history has proven to be wrong.
You don’t know anything about me, where I’ve been and what I’ve done. Im just trying to provide some insight to help this pilot group. Not sure why you’re even here if you don’t work for UAL.
What you still can’t seem to grasp after all that has taken place is that you voted in a sub par contract because that’s all the NC could get WITHOUT A NO VOTE! If it was voted down (like united) then the Delta rates would have come out a few weeks later and the NC could have likely gotten you much more (like United did). You cant see that just by looking at what your peers have done but I’m the one without brains. Riiiiiiight. Or maybe you can clearly see that you sold yourself short and you are desperately trying to justify your shortsighted, impulsive, fear-based decision which history has proven to be wrong.
You don’t know anything about me, where I’ve been and what I’ve done. Im just trying to provide some insight to help this pilot group. Not sure why you’re even here if you don’t work for UAL.
Hey anyone who needs a new contract and want it to pass by over 80%… hire this guy!!!
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