Pros / Cons
09-23-2023, 07:35 AM
#101
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Yes it's extremely frustrating to see 2 separate pilot groups making the same mistakes just a year apart. It took about all of 2 months for those guys to realize the mistakes they made, and attrition there has gotten much worse. Guess I was totally wrong about that too...
yes, attrition is still and issue and the company has actually communicated that they are talking with the MEC about what they think will fix the issue. Not trying to do it themselves as usual. But you keep on complaining. Let us know what sucks at Delta when you get there next year.
09-23-2023, 07:58 AM
#102
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09-23-2023, 01:15 PM
#103
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Posts: 18
Really, attrition at Alaska has gotten worse? Oh wait, much worse, sorry. Care to back that up with any data? It is actually about the same. Like we thought, you are one of those that will complain wherever you go. The number of pilots we are losing to FedEx and UPS has dropped to zero!
yes, attrition is still and issue and the company has actually communicated that they are talking with the MEC about what they think will fix the issue. Not trying to do it themselves as usual. But you keep on complaining. Let us know what sucks at Delta when you get there next year.
yes, attrition is still and issue and the company has actually communicated that they are talking with the MEC about what they think will fix the issue. Not trying to do it themselves as usual. But you keep on complaining. Let us know what sucks at Delta when you get there next year.
I don’t have access to the numbers anymore but you do. I know that it was a fact before I left and that it’s even discussed on the ALA podcast in April or June.
And, maybe you aren’t losing peoples to FDX and UPS BECAUSE THEY STOPPED HIRING! Lol
UPS is even offering early retirement!
You voted in an objectively sub-par contract and if the management over there weren’t “kind enough” to go above and beyond that joke of a snap up clause you’d be even further behind. You KNOW it’s bad when mgmt agrees to give you more money when they don’t have to! I don’t think you want to be in this thread claiming to be any kind of authority because less than a year ago you proved you aren’t. Everyone with internet access can see you made a bad deal and were defending it! Laughable.
09-23-2023, 03:18 PM
#104
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I don’t have access to the numbers anymore but you do. I know that it was a fact before I left and that it’s even discussed on the ALA podcast in April or June.
And, maybe you aren’t losing peoples to FDX and UPS BECAUSE THEY STOPPED HIRING! Lol
UPS is even offering early retirement!
You voted in an objectively sub-par contract and if the management over there weren’t “kind enough” to go above and beyond that joke of a snap up clause you’d be even further behind. You KNOW it’s bad when mgmt agrees to give you more money when they don’t have to! I don’t think you want to be in this thread claiming to be any kind of authority because less than a year ago you proved you aren’t. Everyone with internet access can see you made a bad deal and were defending it! Laughable.
And, maybe you aren’t losing peoples to FDX and UPS BECAUSE THEY STOPPED HIRING! Lol
UPS is even offering early retirement!
You voted in an objectively sub-par contract and if the management over there weren’t “kind enough” to go above and beyond that joke of a snap up clause you’d be even further behind. You KNOW it’s bad when mgmt agrees to give you more money when they don’t have to! I don’t think you want to be in this thread claiming to be any kind of authority because less than a year ago you proved you aren’t. Everyone with internet access can see you made a bad deal and were defending it! Laughable.
We did. It vote in a sub-or contract. We voted in the contract our NC could negotiate at the time. They made some important critical gains. Doubt you have the brains to figure out what those were. After that the Union did not just spike by the football and go home. They kept fighting. Got us a significant pay raise that was not contractual. They are still fighting for improvements. What are you doing? Running from shop to shop until someone makes you happy.
09-23-2023, 04:19 PM
#105
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Posts: 18
The only thing laughable around here is you. I know FedEx and UPS are not hiring. Not hiring and offering early retirements during a pilot shortage. Think about that for a second.
We did. It vote in a sub-or contract. We voted in the contract our NC could negotiate at the time. They made some important critical gains. Doubt you have the brains to figure out what those were. After that the Union did not just spike by the football and go home. They kept fighting. Got us a significant pay raise that was not contractual. They are still fighting for improvements. What are you doing? Running from shop to shop until someone makes you happy.
We did. It vote in a sub-or contract. We voted in the contract our NC could negotiate at the time. They made some important critical gains. Doubt you have the brains to figure out what those were. After that the Union did not just spike by the football and go home. They kept fighting. Got us a significant pay raise that was not contractual. They are still fighting for improvements. What are you doing? Running from shop to shop until someone makes you happy.
…so you were making a joke where you were the punchline? Good one.
What you still can’t seem to grasp after all that has taken place is that you voted in a sub par contract because that’s all the NC could get WITHOUT A NO VOTE! If it was voted down (like united) then the Delta rates would have come out a few weeks later and the NC could have likely gotten you much more (like United did). You cant see that just by looking at what your peers have done but I’m the one without brains. Riiiiiiight. Or maybe you can clearly see that you sold yourself short and you are desperately trying to justify your shortsighted, impulsive, fear-based decision which history has proven to be wrong.
You don’t know anything about me, where I’ve been and what I’ve done. Im just trying to provide some insight to help this pilot group. Not sure why you’re even here if you don’t work for UAL.
09-24-2023, 08:48 AM
#106
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Position: guppy CA
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I'll go first to make it easy. Ex-mil, hired at United more than 20 years ago. NB CA at United.
Please make sure to respond or I will continue to ask you to post your background and current position.
09-24-2023, 11:55 AM
#107
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Since you posted this, post your background and current position. Do you work at United?
I'll go first to make it easy. Ex-mil, hired at United more than 20 years ago. NB CA at United.
Please make sure to respond or I will continue to ask you to post your background and current position.
I'll go first to make it easy. Ex-mil, hired at United more than 20 years ago. NB CA at United.
Please make sure to respond or I will continue to ask you to post your background and current position.
While your ultra-vague self disclosures are a nice token gesture, I couldn't give you a meaningful CV without essentially doxing myself. Besides that it's irrelevant to the conversation entirely.
09-24-2023, 01:49 PM
#108
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Position: guppy CA
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LOL no thanks. I did not say that to appear as some kind of authority. It was because some dip**** made grossly incorrect assumptions about my career and career choices.
While your ultra-vague self disclosures are a nice token gesture, I couldn't give you a meaningful CV without essentially doxing myself. Besides that it's irrelevant to the conversation entirely.
While your ultra-vague self disclosures are a nice token gesture, I couldn't give you a meaningful CV without essentially doxing myself. Besides that it's irrelevant to the conversation entirely.
I'll go out on a limb and guess you're someone young and new to the airline world, yet dispense your 'wisdom' as if you know all of the ups and downs of the business. Chances are, you've only seen the good side of this industry. That's great, I'm happy for you. But at some point, dark days will return.
I'm just a dumb old guy, but I consider the current TA to have more QoL gains than any previous contract since I've been on property. And that includes C2K (my first contract here) ... that was almost exclusively a money contract with very few QoL gains. I'm not saying that current days are better than pre-9/11, but what has been given away due to BK and the decade of privation have been very difficult to regain. The fact that we're getting a bit of that back in this contract is huge in my book.
09-24-2023, 02:06 PM
#109
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Posts: 507
You try to come off as some Nostradomas with your 'prescient' views of the future, but in reality you're likely some kid who got hired at Alaska within the last couple of years, threw a hissy fit and left after the new contract was voted in, when you got hired at United early this year.
I'll go out on a limb and guess you're someone young and new to the airline world, yet dispense your 'wisdom' as if you know all of the ups and downs of the business. Chances are, you've only seen the good side of this industry. That's great, I'm happy for you. But at some point, dark days will return.
I'm just a dumb old guy, but I consider the current TA to have more QoL gains than any previous contract since I've been on property. And that includes C2K (my first contract here) ... that was almost exclusively a money contract with very few QoL gains. I'm not saying that current days are better than pre-9/11, but what has been given away due to BK and the decade of privation have been very difficult to regain. The fact that we're getting a bit of that back in this contract is huge in my book.
I'll go out on a limb and guess you're someone young and new to the airline world, yet dispense your 'wisdom' as if you know all of the ups and downs of the business. Chances are, you've only seen the good side of this industry. That's great, I'm happy for you. But at some point, dark days will return.
I'm just a dumb old guy, but I consider the current TA to have more QoL gains than any previous contract since I've been on property. And that includes C2K (my first contract here) ... that was almost exclusively a money contract with very few QoL gains. I'm not saying that current days are better than pre-9/11, but what has been given away due to BK and the decade of privation have been very difficult to regain. The fact that we're getting a bit of that back in this contract is huge in my book.
09-24-2023, 09:11 PM
#110
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Posts: 18
You try to come off as some Nostradomas with your 'prescient' views of the future, but in reality you're likely some kid who got hired at Alaska within the last couple of years, threw a hissy fit and left after the new contract was voted in, when you got hired at United early this year.
I'll go out on a limb and guess you're someone young and new to the airline world, yet dispense your 'wisdom' as if you know all of the ups and downs of the business. Chances are, you've only seen the good side of this industry. That's great, I'm happy for you. But at some point, dark days will return.
I'm just a dumb old guy, but I consider the current TA to have more QoL gains than any previous contract since I've been on property. And that includes C2K (my first contract here) ... that was almost exclusively a money contract with very few QoL gains. I'm not saying that current days are better than pre-9/11, but what has been given away due to BK and the decade of privation have been very difficult to regain. The fact that we're getting a bit of that back in this contract is huge in my book.
I'll go out on a limb and guess you're someone young and new to the airline world, yet dispense your 'wisdom' as if you know all of the ups and downs of the business. Chances are, you've only seen the good side of this industry. That's great, I'm happy for you. But at some point, dark days will return.
I'm just a dumb old guy, but I consider the current TA to have more QoL gains than any previous contract since I've been on property. And that includes C2K (my first contract here) ... that was almost exclusively a money contract with very few QoL gains. I'm not saying that current days are better than pre-9/11, but what has been given away due to BK and the decade of privation have been very difficult to regain. The fact that we're getting a bit of that back in this contract is huge in my book.
What is it with you guys where you want to make all kinds of assumptions about people you disagree with? I guess you feel you can ignore the facts that are being shoved in your face and tell yourself "well yeah, but they haven't seen what I've seen. They're just a dumb kid with no industry experience.". You're focusing on the person (incorrectly might I add) instead of the argument, because, well, you can't confront the argument. Im not going to say that you are dumb, but your response defintiely is.
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