Originally Posted by Pilot4000

The problem is that it takes away leverage from us. MCO and LAS were a result of trying to fill unfilled captain vacancies. Now they won’t have to open a base in BOS, SEA, AUS, etc to try to get people to upgrade.

Originally Posted by AbjectFutility

You're smoking something powerful if you think unfilled Captain vacancies will be an issue in our next section 6 negotiation. There's a better than 50/50 chance that out next negotiation will be with the proverbial gun to our head. Even if not, we won't see a serious push for an AIP inside of 7 years. Either through growth or contraction, we will have no trouble filling Captain vacancies at that time.

Originally Posted by Pilot4000

I would be much more likely to take an upgrade if I didn’t have to commute. I’m not commuting to narrow body reserve. Just because you walked uphill both ways to school in the snow doesn’t mean I should have to as well.

Originally Posted by Race Bannon

HMMM add pay,
I'm sure the majority of pilots are "capitalists". They want to make more money if they choose to work smarter, harder or longer or things go south with the operation whilst on a trip.
Some pilots lean more "socialist" and would prefer to have everyone make the same pay(same seat, category) and have an equal distribution of work.
The capitalist views it as my choice, my pay not your concern. The socialists view it as less productivity equals more pilots which means an increase in my individual seniority and I'll make more pay eventually that way.

It is a conundrum. LUV is basically fly to FAR limits and that's the only pay governor. Delta has numerous ways to really capitalize on add pay and they have the capability to have $800,000 months(albeit only 1 individual) and numerous $1M year captains 7 or 8 years ago with the old pay rates. UAL has the most restrictive of the 3 to boost one's pay above and beyond the "standard". There are very few extremes at UAL. Some add pay will always be needed to remunerate the disadvantaged pilot due to events beyond the companies control. Other times, add pay is a type of abuse governor in an attempt to change company behavior.

Personally, I think it's a bit myopic to paint all "add pay" as bad, and those individuals as participants in the "hunger games". It's merely participating in the "game of life" as we know it in America.

BTW The company is hiring as fast as they can. I personally don't feel getting them to agree to less productivity(resulting in even more hiring) was a realistic option. The result was "add pay" as the negotiated middle of the road.

Originally Posted by TOGALOCK

Here’s the problem with your argument though - No matter what, someone is getting the shaft. Contract passes = Junior pilots taking the first possible upgrade to captain go to undesirable bases (the horror!). Contract doesn’t pass = The company may move vacancies to more desirable bases. This, by your own admission, stunts the relative seniority for people already in base at those undesirable bases.

The thing is though, anyone who is still in those “undesirable” bases who are senior enough to hold a more “desirable” base are staying for a reason. The reason is that it’s more desirable to *them*. Desirable vs undesirable is a personal choice. Most people don’t find EWR to be an island made of candy where rainbows always shine, but to the many pilots who live on the east coast, they wouldn’t give it up for anything.

Looking at your post history you’ve been here less than a year. So, essentially what you seem to saying is “screw the more senior people with established seniority in their base. I want to ‘get mine’ in a more desirable location”.

Also, looking at your post history, you were throwing similar temper tantrums this time last year when you were at Alaska (and a newbie there as well) when their TA came out and said you’d leave if it passed. Well, apparently you chased the golden ring over to United where it also looks like you’re not going to get what you want. Will you be applying to Delta next? Or, is beating your chest over TAs as a new guy just the thing that you do?

Originally Posted by guppie

Proof perfect that
1. QOL is vastly improved on this contract.
2. passage is a forgone conclusion.

y’all enjoy YOUR new contract.

Originally Posted by crflyer

Proof it’s vastly improved? You know essentially the entire airline is available to fill those vacancies but still chose not to, right?

Originally Posted by guppie

Six more days... and it's time to party. This slam dunk is gonna pass like green grass. Like it, love it, or hate it.... You better learn it, because you're gonna live it. For the next 6 years or so.... if we're lucky. Contract 2000 lasted 2 years. singing... Go on take the money and run, WOO HOO HOO

https://www.nytimes.com/2002/11/02/b...ncessions.html

Originally Posted by Guppydriver95

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