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Old 09-07-2023, 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by KnightNight
They can’t start training till august 2024. TA if passed won’t be signed till October 2023
doesn’t mean they can’t be assigned before then.
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Old 09-07-2023, 10:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Ohlsan
times have changed most new hires now have multiple offers, forced Capt bids will excite some and turn some away, optional Capt bids would be way better in my opinion. That way if you don’t feel ready don’t take it, if you are ready and want it, have fun.
multiple offers are good…if you don’t like the terms of this one….go elsewhere. I’ll sleep ok with that.
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Old 09-07-2023, 10:09 AM
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1) The faster everyone else is trying to go, the slower I start to go. When you rush you miss **** and that’s what gets you violated or killed.

2) Always take something off of your FO’s plate. IOW get a checklist done as soon as you can on taxi out. SE taxi and waiting on numbers? Crank the other engine while you wait. Got your numbers? Run the before to the line. With that also make sure your FO knows they’ve got all the time in the world to get stuff done. You can make the time if it’s needed.

3) As others have said it’s ok for the FO to have a better idea than you do. What’s right, not who’s right.

4) Be yourself. Unless you’re an ******* in which case don’t be an *******.

5) Don’t get spun up over what you can’t control. With that said you control the APU so……

6) Never ever work in a hot environment.

7) It’s ok to say NO. Refuse an airplane if need be. Call in fatigued/sick if you need to.

8) If the little voice in your brain says add gas, listen to it.
8a) Always make sure you’ve left yourself enough gas to have an out. Especially if you’re going someplace with 1 runway and somebody ahead of you shuts it down.

9) What the company wants doesn’t always align with what’s best for your particular situation. No I am not saying do anything illegal but what I am saying is if you’re running late and you’re a stand in front of the cabin and do the clown show type, maybe forgo the clown show this time and get moving. Or my point in number 8. Your spider sense is going off for a reason. Or the “efficient” route you’ve been planned on is going through every piece of MOD TURB that WSI can find. Call DD and come up with a better plan.
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Old 09-07-2023, 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Shrek
Buy your halfwinger all the meals when you are on the trip.
I agree with the rest but let’s nip this one in the bud. I don’t think anybody should be expected to feed the half winger for the entire trip. Maybe a few responsible drinks like once a trip. With the changing times comes a pay rate that new hires can actually survive off of, thank god.
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Old 09-07-2023, 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Iregretnothing
I agree with the rest but let’s nip this one in the bud. I don’t think anybody should be expected to feed the half winger for the entire trip. Maybe a few responsible drinks like once a trip. With the changing times comes a pay rate that new hires can actually survive off of, thank god.
Yep I’ve heard of you guys 🙄.

Let’s go ahead not nip anything in the “bud” you cheap bastard.
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Old 09-07-2023, 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Shrek
Yep I’ve heard of you guys 🙄.

Let’s go ahead not nip anything in the “bud” you cheap bastard.
when every single person you fly with the entire month is a half-winger…..sorry, not happening. I have kids to feed, and the grown man next to me isn’t one of them. I pick up all meals and coffee while on duty….absolutely. At the hotel, I am catching up with my family and my personal time….we just spent all day working together, big boys and girls can feed themselves with the $70+ a day that per diem covers.

side note….is the FO going to pay for the CA when he’s the half-winger?
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Old 09-07-2023, 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by ReadOnly7
when every single person you fly with the entire month is a half-winger…..sorry, not happening. I have kids to feed, and the grown man next to me isn’t one of them. I pick up all meals and coffee while on duty….absolutely. At the hotel, I am catching up with my family and my personal time….we just spent all day working together, big boys and girls can feed themselves with the $70+ a day that per diem covers.

side note….is the FO going to pay for the CA when he’s the half-winger?
^^^^^^THIS.

Do what you can, but this isn’t CAL with $30/hr and no health insurance for the first 6 months anymore.

Plus, depending on their back ground, many of the FO’s were making 2-2.5X at their regional than what many of us were making at that level.

As far as the rest goes…..

​​​​​……weird, doing the SAME stuff as a CA at the regionals works HERE TOO. Except it’s 3X money for about half the B.S.
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Old 09-07-2023, 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by luv757
1) The faster everyone else is trying to go, the slower I start to go. When you rush you miss **** and that’s what gets you violated or killed.

2) Always take something off of your FO’s plate. IOW get a checklist done as soon as you can on taxi out. SE taxi and waiting on numbers? Crank the other engine while you wait. Got your numbers? Run the before to the line. With that also make sure your FO knows they’ve got all the time in the world to get stuff done. You can make the time if it’s needed.

3) As others have said it’s ok for the FO to have a better idea than you do. What’s right, not who’s right.

4) Be yourself. Unless you’re an ******* in which case don’t be an *******.

5) Don’t get spun up over what you can’t control. With that said you control the APU so……

6) Never ever work in a hot environment.

7) It’s ok to say NO. Refuse an airplane if need be. Call in fatigued/sick if you need to.

8) If the little voice in your brain says add gas, listen to it.
8a) Always make sure you’ve left yourself enough gas to have an out. Especially if you’re going someplace with 1 runway and somebody ahead of you shuts it down.

9) What the company wants doesn’t always align with what’s best for your particular situation. No I am not saying do anything illegal but what I am saying is if you’re running late and you’re a stand in front of the cabin and do the clown show type, maybe forgo the clown show this time and get moving. Or my point in number 8. Your spider sense is going off for a reason. Or the “efficient” route you’ve been planned on is going through every piece of MOD TURB that WSI can find. Call DD and come up with a better plan.
Great post. Thank you.
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Old 09-07-2023, 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by ReadOnly7
when every single person you fly with the entire month is a half-winger…..sorry, not happening. I have kids to feed, and the grown man next to me isn’t one of them. I pick up all meals and coffee while on duty….absolutely. At the hotel, I am catching up with my family and my personal time….we just spent all day working together, big boys and girls can feed themselves with the $70+ a day that per diem covers.
^^^^^^ 2d THIS.

After you've had a few trips where half wingers order Macallan(or similar), you start to sour a bit on the tradition.

I also have a rule about half wingers that don't tip the van driver. I'll discuss it with them and if the behavior doesn't change, I'm done buying them anything. I don't encounter that very often, but it does happen.
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Old 09-07-2023, 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Andy
^^^^^^ 2d THIS.

After you've had a few trips where half wingers order Macallan(or similar), you start to sour a bit on the tradition.

I also have a rule about half wingers that don't tip the van driver. I'll discuss it with them and if the behavior doesn't change, I'm done buying them anything. I don't encounter that very often, but it does happen.
I respect where the tradition was born out of and why but it kind of needs to die because of the actions of many half-wingers. The word is out that Captains “have to buy probies all the drinks” and then proceed to order top shelf liquor 8 shots in a row. Can’t we start a new yet time honored tradition where if you like the person you’re flying with you invite them out for a few drinks? Then maybe you could say “Hey, put x number of his drinks on my tab.”???
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