Originally Posted by webecheck

Mid seniority wb fo here. Been on the plane from 98% to mid 40s now. I can fly 75hrs in 9 days if I want to, and have been able to for quite some time, so whoever made that comment isn’t a wbfo and clearly wrong. Zero chance in hell I upgrade. Trips too efficient, easy, more soft hours, less days work, list goes on and on. I’m going to clear 300k in wages this year and I don’t hustle. I just can’t for the life of me see why someone would want to be a junior domestic Capt (LH even) to work more days and very likely make the same money. Data point, just flew a 3 day domestic. Worked a nrt/hnd day, but made 5 less hours. Someone throat punch me next time I pickup domestic flying. Multiple legs, unpaid sits, no nap onboard, 🤦‍♂️.

Yes it’s true that some people can’t figure out body clock mgmt and what trips work for them. If you can, then you sit and wait until you can jump the trash can.

As for the AIP and reserve. Meh. You get 1 extra day off in the 4 months of the year nobody gets used 18 days anyway. Not a win. IMO most of the improvements will be gains for locals that have flexible life schedules, so how many of the 16k of us does that actually help. IMO, very little. SFO has a 5 day Guam trip. A mid seniority fo can easily secure a line of those. Get 2 from pbs and have to trade for the 3rd, but it’s doable. Fly 3 a month and it’s 75hrs hard but 95 in pay. 15 days worked, 12 legs total, and every layover is a usable long one. Or just do 2 of them and a 3 day Pvg/pek. Those are easy pickings for juniors too. That’s 13 days and 88 in credit. Pvg and pek fairly normal duty times imo and flyable from either fo seat without much fatigue. Pek not back yet, but coming in oct or Nov. What’s the best you can average flying domestic, 6hrs/day? When I did it, those high time guppy 4 days, like 24hrs credit, weren’t fun trips. That was work!

Originally Posted by Spartacusbob

Look, there was nothing in the bullet points, of course I’ll wait to see the language but my hill to die on is those two points and they are NOT addressed to what I can see. The real issue is that United is avoiding PP and to do it is upping RSV coverage, upping the gline and involuntarily rolling folks into days off. That QOL hit in regards to RSV and gline can be alleviated by PP. Bottom line, United’s position on PP is not congruent to better QOL.

Originally Posted by Bahamasflyer

Yes THIS.

Why is that not in the bullet points. This affects the WHOLE SENIORITY SPECTRUM, not just the junior fodder.

Originally Posted by porkchopexpress

All of this. I'm hoping the TA spells out better QWL advances than the bullet points allude to. Otherwise, they didn't do nearly enough to entice experienced FO's to upgrade to NB CA. It's okay though, we're giving the company the ability to junior man NB CA seats to new hires. There goes that leverage. I spoke with someone on the MEC recently and he wholeheartedly believes the company won't have to junior man anyone. He didn't convince me, but I guess we'll see.

Originally Posted by Lenticularis

The general sentiment and thermometer gauge is reading tepid to cool temps on this AIP. The language of the TA will shift that somewhat one direction. Which will be interesting to see. I am cautious to engaging with any idea of yes or no until I see language. Although acknowledging the negativity on this thread the AIP feels lackluster.

Originally Posted by Otterbox

The turd will pass. plenty of pilots don’t understand inflation and how they’re really not making anymore in purchasing power than they had in 2019. They’re completely ignorant to QOL aspects that exist in other other airline contracts and are okay living with their head in the sand, flying 80-90hr credit lines with no checks on the company’s manipulation of staffing to prevent ability to drop trips or trade as long as they get the overnights they bid for and openly hope they get to keep doing it until 67+. As soon as they got ahold of AAs retro calculator and did the math for their own earnings, it was a done deal.

Originally Posted by Pilot4000

Where is this retro pay calculator you speak of?

Originally Posted by KnightNight

Don’t you just take your gross income for each year and multiply it by that years percentage?

Originally Posted by Otterbox

The turd will pass. plenty of pilots don’t understand inflation and how they’re really not making anymore in purchasing power than they had in 2019. They’re completely ignorant to QOL aspects that exist in other other airline contracts and are okay living with their head in the sand, flying 80-90hr credit lines with no checks on the company’s manipulation of staffing to prevent ability to drop trips or trade as long as they get the overnights they bid for and openly hope they get to keep doing it until 67+. As soon as they got ahold of AAs retro calculator and did the math for their own earnings, it was a done deal.

Originally Posted by JTwift

yeah, but who has time for addition and multiplying by a percentage?