View Poll Results: Will you upgrade with a ratified contract?
Yes
67
21.00%
No
168
52.66%
Undecided
84
26.33%
Voters: 319. You may not vote on this poll
Captain Upgrade with New TA: Yes or No
08-18-2023, 12:59 PM
#11
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2018
Posts: 1,085
Not sure this is true. Look at 737 captain at all bases. The number 10,000 pilot is about 90% which is within a margin +/- of a coupla percent across ALL bases and would be on reserve with no control of their schedule. Forget about commuting to 90% NB captain, the QOL would suck. That same 10K pilot would be about 55% in SFO as a 777FO working possibly 3 x 3 day trips for 75 hours a month. I don't care how much better the line holder improvements are(reasonably achievable), they will not pull guys like this to NB captain unless they are much better % than a bottom line holder. This is especially true for the 50% of the list that are commuters.
filler
08-18-2023, 01:00 PM
#12
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2018
Posts: 1,085
08-18-2023, 01:21 PM
#13
Gets Weekends Off
Thread Starter
Joined APC: Jul 2008
Posts: 608
Not sure this is true. Look at 737 captain at all bases. The number 10,000 pilot is about 90% which is within a margin +/- of a coupla percent across ALL bases and would be on reserve with no control of their schedule. Forget about commuting to 90% NB captain, the QOL would suck. That same 10K pilot would be about 55% in SFO as a 777FO working possibly 3 x 3 day trips for 75 hours a month. I don't care how much better the line holder improvements are(reasonably achievable), they will not pull guys like this to NB captain unless they are much better % than a bottom line holder. This is especially true for the 50% of the list that are commuters.
Exactly. It’ll be interesting to see what the final language looks like, but it sounds like they’ll allow pilots with the FAR requirements to bid for Captain with upgrading training beginning as early as 350 hours in type at the company. More concerning, it sounds like Captain slots can be awarded as early as Day 1 of indoc (forcibly, TBD).
08-18-2023, 01:26 PM
#14
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2019
Posts: 151
This explains the propaganda campaign at TK.
”wE WiLL hAvE 26,000 PiLoT$ oN pRoPeRtY bY 2030!!!!1!”
That’ll trick them into upgrading, everyone hired before 2025 will be bidding for weekends off as a Captain before the end of the decade! Ta-hahaha!
”wE WiLL hAvE 26,000 PiLoT$ oN pRoPeRtY bY 2030!!!!1!”
That’ll trick them into upgrading, everyone hired before 2025 will be bidding for weekends off as a Captain before the end of the decade! Ta-hahaha!
08-18-2023, 03:00 PM
#16
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2018
Posts: 2,501
Not sure this is true. Look at 737 captain at all bases. The number 10,000 pilot is about 90% which is within a margin +/- of a coupla percent across ALL bases and would be on reserve with no control of their schedule. Forget about commuting to 90% NB captain, the QOL would suck. That same 10K pilot would be about 55% in SFO as a 777FO working possibly 3 x 3 day trips for 75 hours a month. I don't care how much better the line holder improvements are(reasonably achievable), they will not pull guys like this to NB captain unless they are much better % than a bottom line holder. This is especially true for the 50% of the list that are commuters.
08-18-2023, 06:55 PM
#17
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2018
Posts: 1,034
Unless someone bids a pure long call line or a short call line, it will be status quo for the average reserve.
08-18-2023, 07:59 PM
#20
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Sep 2017
Posts: 680
Not sure this is true. Look at 737 captain at all bases. The number 10,000 pilot is about 90% which is within a margin +/- of a coupla percent across ALL bases and would be on reserve with no control of their schedule. Forget about commuting to 90% NB captain, the QOL would suck. That same 10K pilot would be about 55% in SFO as a 777FO working possibly 3 x 3 day trips for 75 hours a month. I don't care how much better the line holder improvements are(reasonably achievable), they will not pull guys like this to NB captain unless they are much better % than a bottom line holder. This is especially true for the 50% of the list that are commuters.
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
