View Poll Results: Will you upgrade with a ratified contract?
Yes
67
21.00%
No
168
52.66%
Undecided
84
26.33%
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Captain Upgrade with New TA: Yes or No
08-25-2023, 08:04 AM
#92
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Joined APC: Nov 2022
Posts: 148
You guys are nuts, this thing passes with 80% yes.
The vast majority of our pilots don’t get PPU, so they couldn’t care less about that, but they do get 401k, and profit sharing, and sick leave, and better pay rates, and what appears to be likely better reserve rules…
You sound surprised that United management wants to pare back PPU… duh, numbnuts, of course they do, it costs them a fortune and they just dropped $10B on a new pilot contract that actually benefits all of us across the spectrum. I actually live in base and can access PPU pretty regularly, I’d still rather have better pay and benefits ALL the time guaranteed.
The vast majority of our pilots don’t get PPU, so they couldn’t care less about that, but they do get 401k, and profit sharing, and sick leave, and better pay rates, and what appears to be likely better reserve rules…
You sound surprised that United management wants to pare back PPU… duh, numbnuts, of course they do, it costs them a fortune and they just dropped $10B on a new pilot contract that actually benefits all of us across the spectrum. I actually live in base and can access PPU pretty regularly, I’d still rather have better pay and benefits ALL the time guaranteed.
I’m sure it’ll pass but I’m not gonna vote for it.
08-25-2023, 08:05 AM
#93
Line Holder
Joined APC: Jul 2018
Posts: 99
Perhaps. But this unscientific poll doesn't account for all the current CA's I've heard will be bidding WB FO because it'll be a net wash with the new pay rates. Anecdotal, of course. Either way, the problem will still be solved no matter how much it helps or hurts us.
08-25-2023, 08:10 AM
#94
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2018
Posts: 190
All of this. I'm hoping the TA spells out better QWL advances than the bullet points allude to. Otherwise, they didn't do nearly enough to entice experienced FO's to upgrade to NB CA. It's okay though, we're giving the company the ability to junior man NB CA seats to new hires. There goes that leverage. I spoke with someone on the MEC recently and he wholeheartedly believes the company won't have to junior man anyone. He didn't convince me, but I guess we'll see.
At least that's the way I'm reading the bullet point subtext on vacation "Fixes fly for free" provision.
08-25-2023, 10:59 AM
#95
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Apr 2018
Posts: 196
Nobody will have to bid up to captain initially or "junior man" by company . The productivity increase of being able to "fly back your vacation" will result in 1000 minimum up to 2000 less pilots required. Pilot "shortage" immediately solved.
At least that's the way I'm reading the bullet point subtext on vacation "Fixes fly for free" provision.
At least that's the way I'm reading the bullet point subtext on vacation "Fixes fly for free" provision.
I think you are misreading that
08-25-2023, 11:19 AM
#97
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Joined APC: Aug 2020
Posts: 2,321
Perhaps. But this unscientific poll doesn't account for all the current CA's I've heard will be bidding WB FO because it'll be a net wash with the new pay rates. Anecdotal, of course. Either way, the problem will still be solved no matter how much it helps or hurts us.
08-25-2023, 01:04 PM
#98
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Joined APC: Dec 2019
Posts: 1,337
Just like that mass exodus of celebrities who moved to Canada when Trump was elected.
08-25-2023, 02:36 PM
#99
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Joined APC: Mar 2018
Posts: 216
the “fly for free” problem is a problem in vacation months when PTC is below MPG and is described in detail in the pilot compensation committee update dated January 18, 2018. It’s not only a problem for picking up flying, but also for trading in a vacation month. The “fixes fly for free” you’re referencing in the AIP is talking about the line right above it, where it says MPG will be removed in vacation months. Since the fly for free problem is a discrepancy between MPG and PTC, they are fixing it by removing one of the buckets
09-01-2023, 01:47 PM
#100
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Joined APC: Mar 2014
Posts: 726
Either this gets voted down because of this colossally stupid provision, or we kill a lot of people. I call either a failure. But I will get paid more, so I’m a little ambivalent.
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