Maui 777
08-11-2023, 02:42 PM
#41
Ignoring; John Burke.
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Several unusual circumstances, that apparently were not briefed much, the south departure, and the flaps 20 (with reduced thrust).,That was always an irritation to me that dispatch would give us 20 flaps due to short runway, but then use reduced thrust. I never did it, unless 15 wasn’t enough..then it would be TRT? It’s always a good idea to emphasize the different flap retraction schedule.
Done many departures off OGG going back to 1982.
This is sad to read. Perfectly good aircraft, no wind shear warning and the pilot loses control. Thankfully he saved it.
Done many departures off OGG going back to 1982.
This is sad to read. Perfectly good aircraft, no wind shear warning and the pilot loses control. Thankfully he saved it.
08-11-2023, 03:20 PM
#42
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Setting flaps 15 instead of 5 is a non starter. Flaps 15 and flaps 5 is the same minimum maneuvering speed on a 777. It’s an extremely common mistake for people to call for/ set 15 instead of 5 on a flaps 20 take off. It’s a complete non issue. There is more to the story, a lot more.
08-11-2023, 03:31 PM
#43
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I ran the pilots' statements through ChatGPT and asked it to play the role of FAA investigator. It concluded, "Based on the provided statements, it can be concluded that the incident was primarily attributed to the miscommunication regarding flap settings during climb, exacerbated by the challenging weather conditions. "
I'm curious, there wasn't mention in either statement of the F/O reading back the flaps call. Is that SOP or not? If it had been, could it be assumed the Capt would have heard the incorrect readback and corrected it?
I'm curious, there wasn't mention in either statement of the F/O reading back the flaps call. Is that SOP or not? If it had been, could it be assumed the Capt would have heard the incorrect readback and corrected it?
08-11-2023, 03:44 PM
#44
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Setting flaps 15 instead of 5 is a non starter. Flaps 15 and flaps 5 is the same minimum maneuvering speed on a 777. It’s an extremely common mistake for people to call for/ set 15 instead of 5 on a flaps 20 take off. It’s a complete non issue. There is more to the story, a lot more.
08-11-2023, 03:55 PM
#45
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What of the Captain's last-minute decision to opt for a MAX thrust takeoff in response to the LLWS advisories instead of the recommended reduced-thrust takeoff being the primary event that triggered the entire sequence? The Captain seemed very concerned about the potential flaps overspeed condition -- it was mentioned a couple of times. This concern likely prompted the Captain's manual intervention to reduce power and mitigate the risk of an overspeed.
08-11-2023, 03:58 PM
#46
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Exactly. As Mark Twain wrote, "It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so."
08-11-2023, 04:08 PM
#47
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With the CA's channelized attention, hard to say if that layer of Swiss cheese would have worked.
Meanwhile, the psyop continues effectively.
08-11-2023, 04:24 PM
#48
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08-11-2023, 04:30 PM
#49
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You mad bro?
Is there more than the provided NTB docket?
Reference page 10.
As Airhoss (and others state), lot more to the story.
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