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Old 08-18-2023, 06:18 AM
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Originally Posted by khergan
Well, some of us have personal experience with dumbasses not using them at inopportune times, missing ATC calls, missing flap/gear call, whatever.

In this case, it led to almost losing a 777 and potentially billions of dollars in business through lost confidence. So yeah, why wouldn't we be tightly wound about something that's easily fixable?

The only argument against it has essentially been "i do what I want, hehehehehe". That's highly annoying to those of us who have been put in an unsafe or easily avoidable situation by someone because of CRM and them not being able to hear anything due to their refusal to use a headset and/or intercom.
This is a big stretch sir. In the Swiss cheese model the headset is not even a factor. If we want to assign blame I think we can come up with far more consequential causation than HEADSETTTTTT.
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Old 08-18-2023, 06:28 AM
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Nah, I think in this case most of us "younguns" value our hearing and will act accordingly. I haven't met a single Gen X or younger pilot who didn't use a high quality noise cancelling headset.
My 35 year old FO on my last two trips used the Telex 750's supplied by the company. Meanwhile 59 year old me wears a Bose Proflight headset. He said at his previous gig - Spirit - pretty much everyone wore company headsets, so he was fine with them.

So, while you may not have met any, there are definitely at least a few Gen X or younger pilots who don't wear noise cancelling headsets (personally, I don't understand it, but not my call...)
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Old 08-18-2023, 06:30 AM
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Originally Posted by 450knotOffice
My 35 year old FO on my last two trips used the Telex 750's supplied by the company. Meanwhile 59 year old me wears a Bose Proflight headset. He said at his previous gig - Spirit - pretty much everyone wore company headsets, so he was fine with them.

So, while you may not have met any, there are definitely at least a few Gen X or younger pilots who don't wear noise cancelling headsets (personally, I don't understand it, but not my call...)
That's not the issue at United.
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Old 08-18-2023, 06:41 AM
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All I wanted was a Pepsi, just one Pepsi…..
Better start carrying an axe to work!
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Old 08-18-2023, 09:20 AM
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All I wanted was a Pepsi, just one Pepsi…..
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Old 08-18-2023, 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Airhoss
Bazinga! Losing control of a 777 because flaps 15 was set instead of flaps 5, an extreme common error on a flaps 20 take off, is absolutely unbelievable. Headsets or not you don’t dive an airplane into the ocean because you ordered a coke and got a Pepsi.
That reminds me of a story I heard from an ex-pat captain in China. it was a smaller domestic carrier, 737 I think. His first line trip, after engine started he called for flaps 5. The local Chinese FO looked at him funny, as if he didn’t understand. Captain repeats command. FO jumps up, goes to the back and returns with a cola for the captain!🥵
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Old 08-18-2023, 10:17 AM
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Well, back on the Classic

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Old 08-19-2023, 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Airhoss
Bazinga! Losing control of a 777 because flaps 15 was set instead of flaps 5, an extreme common error on a flaps 20 take off, is absolutely unbelievable. Headsets or not you don’t dive an airplane into the ocean because you ordered a coke and got a Pepsi.
Haha, I love this analogy. FLY THE GD AIRPLANE. That’s our #1 job. Literally everything else comes after this.

Also as a total aside, headsets help reduce miscommunication below 18k, it would be nice if pilots wore them during that phase of flight.
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Old 08-19-2023, 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Ed Force One
Lol. This can only appeal to a very narrow audience.
Thank you.
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Lol. This can only appeal to a very narrow audience.
Thank you.
it was in reference to something I said….which certain members of my generation would immediately recognize. Ed Force One is one of those people.
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