Tesla S

Interesting that you chose not to mention that the CA had 13.8k TT in all aircraft and the FO had 11.5k TT.. hardly an inexperienced crew as your narrative would suggest. How about don’t be a DB.

EyeKantEven

Total time is high -- yes. But the first landing in type probably needs backup with more command experience to react quickly. The mindset of command takes years to develop.

The worst landing I ever experienced was on the JS of a 767 with an IOE captain upgrading from 10 years on the 727. Boy did he prang it on.

TT as an FO and PIC in a Piper may not be enough for a Check Airperson to understand the potential ways something can go wrong with very early flights in a new type. You know this is true.

EyeKantEven

...and the plane was written off. This was not a garden-variety "hard landing".

MasterOfPuppets

map you didn’t read the entire NYSB report? Because that accident wasn’t about reaction.

EyeKantEven

Maybe I missed part of the voluminous 5-page NTSB report, but I DID read this:

"To avoid a tailstrike, the captain said she physically blocked the yoke from moving back and instructed the FO to pitch forward. The airplane then bounced on the runway."

MasterOfPuppets

yeah there’s more……and I know the entire story.

Nordhavn

Is this person still a LCP?

baseball

With all this shixx going on, are we noticing an increase in FAA surveillance?

baseball

I disagree. I think not enough people are valuing experience in the right manner. What is experience? It is the sum of all of your lessons learned, both positive and negative, good and bad. All of that "experience" helps shape your decision making process, your reactions to stressors, your reactions to things happening on the airplane and the environment around the airplane. A big reason the over 65 crowd is able to push their agenda of 67 is because the house and senate are convinced that "experienced pilots need to be allowed to fly." There is not yet a suitable substitute for experience. Heck, even the FAA says you need 1500 hours to get an ATP....That is one "level" of experience. Insurance providers from boats, to cars, to airplanes to commercial truck drivers all give discounts for "experienced operators." There's got to be some "logic" to it.

Experience is "devalued" because there is not a lot of it right now in the hiring pipeline. The more flight time you have the more opportunities you have had to make decisions or see decisions being made, or have been a part of the decision making process (multi crew). I just don't think there is a good substitute for it.

sailingfun

The strange part is the highest recorded pitch attitude was 4.0 degrees with touchdown at 2.8. Seems normal if not a bit flat probably caused by the airspeed additive. Not sure what the fear of a tail strike was about.