767 Hard Landing IAH ???
08-07-2023, 07:31 PM
#251
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I tend to stay out of these topics….let me try and say this as nice as I can.
I want to sit next to a pilot who has almost killed themselves a few times or has had someone try to kill them. You need to make bad decisions, learn from them and then move forward. You don’t need to be making first time rookie decisions that could kill you in a plane with 365 people.
the amount I learned from being a CFI, flying single pilot 135, Turbo props and RJs has made me the safe pilot I am today.
that 767 landing in IAH and 757 landing in EWR Im sure were picture perfect until the last 5 seconds. nota lot of time to mentor there…..experience matters.
I want to sit next to a pilot who has almost killed themselves a few times or has had someone try to kill them. You need to make bad decisions, learn from them and then move forward. You don’t need to be making first time rookie decisions that could kill you in a plane with 365 people.
the amount I learned from being a CFI, flying single pilot 135, Turbo props and RJs has made me the safe pilot I am today.
that 767 landing in IAH and 757 landing in EWR Im sure were picture perfect until the last 5 seconds. nota lot of time to mentor there…..experience matters.
Truth………………
08-07-2023, 08:07 PM
#252
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biggest load of crahp ive ever read. Checkride failures dont have the stigma they used to have 10+ years ago. check-ride failures are extremely common now days, and really, no one gives a crap about it anymore. Spirit hired a fresh 1500 cfi with 4 GA failures... jetblue constantly hires people right at this moment, with DUIs or 2+ 121 fails.
Take a look through ALL plane crashes that ever happened. The VAST majority was done by people who never failed a checkride. funny how that works huh?
Take a look through ALL plane crashes that ever happened. The VAST majority was done by people who never failed a checkride. funny how that works huh?
I am sure you also remember what brought us PRIA and the ATP rule.
people still care about check ride failures but we are scraping the bottom of the barrel. Everyone hires the lowest risk - best attitude to train candidates.
once pilot supply exceeds demand it will be back to TPIC requirements and a PhD in Aerospace Engineering to get an interview.
08-07-2023, 11:50 PM
#253
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So there I was reading APC and read how a honkey SJW checkride failer shot down a black UAL pilot. You can’t make this stuff up.
Knock yourself a pro slick. Gray matter back got perform us down I take TCBin, man.
Knock yourself a pro slick. Gray matter back got perform us down I take TCBin, man.
08-08-2023, 03:58 AM
#254
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biggest load of crahp ive ever read. Checkride failures dont have the stigma they used to have 10+ years ago. check-ride failures are extremely common now days, and really, no one gives a crap about it anymore. Spirit hired a fresh 1500 cfi with 4 GA failures... jetblue constantly hires people right at this moment, with DUIs or 2+ 121 fails.
Take a look through ALL plane crashes that ever happened. The VAST majority was done by people who never failed a checkride. funny how that works huh?
"total time should be how you judge someone"
again, another big load of crahp. Someone can have 3000 PIC turbine and be a sh1ttyy pilot, and someone can be a 500 hour SIC FO and be a superior pilot. I cant count how many errors and mistakes I caught from crusty old captains. But hey! they must be good only because they have a lot of total time, right?
Take a look through ALL plane crashes that ever happened. The VAST majority was done by people who never failed a checkride. funny how that works huh?
"total time should be how you judge someone"
again, another big load of crahp. Someone can have 3000 PIC turbine and be a sh1ttyy pilot, and someone can be a 500 hour SIC FO and be a superior pilot. I cant count how many errors and mistakes I caught from crusty old captains. But hey! they must be good only because they have a lot of total time, right?
08-08-2023, 05:05 AM
#255
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Also, “honky sjw checkride failer” is just beautiful.
08-08-2023, 06:16 AM
#257
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Posts: 146
I hope that's sarcasm.
God help you if it isn't...statistically the generation in power has squandered the greatest wealth accumulation the world has ever seen and provided the absolute worst leadership, government, monetary policy, the list goes on. The sooner they are out of power, the better.
God help you if it isn't...statistically the generation in power has squandered the greatest wealth accumulation the world has ever seen and provided the absolute worst leadership, government, monetary policy, the list goes on. The sooner they are out of power, the better.
08-08-2023, 06:32 AM
#258
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Posts: 513
biggest load of crahp ive ever read. Checkride failures dont have the stigma they used to have 10+ years ago. check-ride failures are extremely common now days, and really, no one gives a crap about it anymore. Spirit hired a fresh 1500 cfi with 4 GA failures... jetblue constantly hires people right at this moment, with DUIs or 2+ 121 fails.
Take a look through ALL plane crashes that ever happened. The VAST majority was done by people who never failed a checkride. funny how that works huh?
"total time should be how you judge someone"
again, another big load of crahp. Someone can have 3000 PIC turbine and be a sh1ttyy pilot, and someone can be a 500 hour SIC FO and be a superior pilot. I cant count how many errors and mistakes I caught from crusty old captains. But hey! they must be good only because they have a lot of total time, right?
Take a look through ALL plane crashes that ever happened. The VAST majority was done by people who never failed a checkride. funny how that works huh?
"total time should be how you judge someone"
again, another big load of crahp. Someone can have 3000 PIC turbine and be a sh1ttyy pilot, and someone can be a 500 hour SIC FO and be a superior pilot. I cant count how many errors and mistakes I caught from crusty old captains. But hey! they must be good only because they have a lot of total time, right?
08-08-2023, 10:23 AM
#259
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Posts: 510
I hope you realize the absurdity of your argument. Since the majority of pilots hired had no check ride failures there were very few pilots around with check ride failures to cause crashes. You have to normalize everything to the overall population. But maybe I am just an old fart with declining cognitive capabilities.
I am sure you also remember what brought us PRIA and the ATP rule.
people still care about check ride failures but we are scraping the bottom of the barrel. Everyone hires the lowest risk - best attitude to train candidates.
once pilot supply exceeds demand it will be back to TPIC requirements and a PhD in Aerospace Engineering to get an interview.
I am sure you also remember what brought us PRIA and the ATP rule.
people still care about check ride failures but we are scraping the bottom of the barrel. Everyone hires the lowest risk - best attitude to train candidates.
once pilot supply exceeds demand it will be back to TPIC requirements and a PhD in Aerospace Engineering to get an interview.
08-08-2023, 12:37 PM
#260
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Position: B737NG forward-facing aft lav
Posts: 127
They're lucky they didn't cartwheel
I just read the NTSB report on United 627. Wow.
Looks like FO's first flight in the airplane, and Cap'n had very little experience as a PIC (1,537 in ALL AIRCRAFT).
Expect this to keep happening as long as experience is overlooked in the hiring / qualifying / promoting decisions.
Can't wait to hear the story of Delta flying thru an Italian hailstorm!
Go United!
Looks like FO's first flight in the airplane, and Cap'n had very little experience as a PIC (1,537 in ALL AIRCRAFT).
Expect this to keep happening as long as experience is overlooked in the hiring / qualifying / promoting decisions.
Can't wait to hear the story of Delta flying thru an Italian hailstorm!
Go United!
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