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Old 08-05-2023, 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by TFAYD
I don’t disagree that this would be the ideal scenario but it comes down to “suck it up buttercup” or no United Next.

what do you think management will pick?
Captains are NOT required to let the FO fly. That's one way to deal with it.
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Old 08-05-2023, 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by DarkSideMoon
If the job of captain is too much you can always downgrade.

When I was “playing AAA ball” I was almost always flying with 100-500 hour 121 FO’s. Mentoring, taking the airplane when necessary, all that jazz was part of the job of being captain. This is the cost of admission of higher wages, better seniority, fleet expansion, etc during a pilot shortage.
With over 20,000 hours I have no issue with mentoring. Flight Instruction...Nope. Not the place for it with passengers in the back. I hope it doesn't come to pass that the CA was trying to correct for something the FO was doing, and we had 2 pilots flying the jet. That could be one way to get a "hard landing" in beautiful weather/light winds. If we ask "too much" of our CA's we might not like the result.

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Old 08-05-2023, 07:06 PM
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Former UAL Captain Laura Savino has a YouTube channel now focusing on safety. She confirms that the 767 F/O was a former male F/A who was hired at UAL and was flying the jet. And that they had major problems in training. She believes that they have been fired but it didn't sound like she was 100% on that. In this video she covers this hard landing, the Delta flight into hail in Italy, and the Delta 757 wheel fire/evac in ATL:

https://youtu.be/Az1MHz3QSXM
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Old 08-05-2023, 07:52 PM
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Originally Posted by AirBear
Former UAL Captain Laura Savino has a YouTube channel now focusing on safety. She confirms that the 767 F/O was a former male F/A who was hired at UAL and was flying the jet. And that they had major problems in training. She believes that they have been fired but it didn't sound like she was 100% on that. In this video she covers this hard landing, the Delta flight into hail in Italy, and the Delta 757 wheel fire/evac in ATL:

https://youtu.be/Az1MHz3QSXM
”they” has to be the stupidest and most confusing pronoun ever. He or she. Pick one. Don’t care if the equipment matches the label you want to be known by….but you are ONE person….not a “they”


side note: CA Savino seems to be an opportunistic trash heap.
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Old 08-05-2023, 08:04 PM
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side note: CA Savino seems to be an opportunistic trash heap.
i did feel that she armchair quarterbacked that Delta wheel fire incident.
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I'm so sick of "influencers".
The pros know who is full of crap and who isn't.
But the general public, the majority of the viewership, just don't.
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Old 08-05-2023, 08:44 PM
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Originally Posted by AirBear
Former UAL Captain Laura Savino has a YouTube channel now focusing on safety. She confirms that the 767 F/O was a former male F/A who was hired at UAL and was flying the jet. And that they had major problems in training. She believes that they have been fired but it didn't sound like she was 100% on that. In this video she covers this hard landing, the Delta flight into hail in Italy, and the Delta 757 wheel fire/evac in ATL:

https://youtu.be/Az1MHz3QSXM
They didn’t just have major proficiency issues in the United schoolhouse. She’s claiming he was terminated for performance issues from a separate employer with an ugly training record before being hired at United. That’s a remarkable record to look past. Freshly terminated for their flying skills and they’re hired on at United Airlines. What is this place becoming? Mainline Mesa?

The United hiring department strikes again! They’ve really outdone themselves this time if any of what she quoted is accurate. What an absolute disgrace. I suppose these zero to hero, low time, zero T-PIC, no college degree with a few check ride busts for good measure kids are not considered the lowest your hiring department will stoop.

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Old 08-05-2023, 10:00 PM
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They didn’t just have major proficiency issues in the United schoolhouse. She’s claiming he was terminated for performance issues from a separate employer with an ugly training record before being hired at United. That’s a remarkable record to look past. Freshly terminated for their flying skills and they’re hired on at United Airlines. What is this place becoming? Mainline Mesa?

The United hiring department strikes again! They’ve really outdone themselves this time if any of what she quoted is accurate. What an absolute disgrace. I suppose these zero to hero, low time, zero T-PIC, no college degree with a few check ride busts for good measure kids are not considered the lowest your hiring department will stoop.
A lot of outrage for literally 0 verified information.
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Originally Posted by DarkSideMoon
A lot of outrage for literally 0 verified information.
its APC - did you expect something else?
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Old 08-06-2023, 02:08 AM
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Originally Posted by DarkSideMoon
A lot of outrage for literally 0 verified information.

He's a troll, and not a great one at that, but there is some evidence to support that type of hiring.

I talked to a CA a month or so ago on the hiring committee who did interviews at TK, and basically their policy was to hire people straight up unless they dorked up the interview so badly that it was unavoidable. The going theory is "let the training department sort em' out". Which, if you now allow a ton of retries and additional sim time, could result in a person who doesn't know how to fly getting to the line. I've seen training standards get lowered due to pressure before in the military, and if it can happen there, it can certainly happen here.
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