767 Hard Landing IAH ???
08-04-2023, 03:27 PM
#171
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‘You are kind of reaching with inexperience being a contributing factor to the 777 UAS event…. More as the personal conflict leading to decrease CRM thus reducing the crews SA played more of a role in event…..
Don’t assume that just because a New Hire gets the a WB slot mean they are inexperience for global operations. We have folks who have lots of experience flying overseas and WB aircraft taking the WB fleet as a NH over the AB guppy. There is inexperience across the entire operation and we aren’t the only airline dealing with it as the hiring landscape has changed since Covid.
Don’t assume that just because a New Hire gets the a WB slot mean they are inexperience for global operations. We have folks who have lots of experience flying overseas and WB aircraft taking the WB fleet as a NH over the AB guppy. There is inexperience across the entire operation and we aren’t the only airline dealing with it as the hiring landscape has changed since Covid.
GMAFB
In all seriousness though please explain to me how having global operation experience prevents bending metal on landing or deviating from a simple hold short clearance after landing and crossing an active runway? Yeah that’s what I thought.
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08-04-2023, 04:14 PM
#172
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Only you would consider flying across the pond for 12 hours picking your nose and watching the CA do the landing “experience”. You really do think you’re special with that Atlas “global operation” experience. I mean that’s some tough, skilled flying to overcome for a NH am I right?
GMAFB
In all seriousness though please explain to me how having global operation experience prevents bending metal on landing or deviating from a simple hold short clearance after landing and crossing an active runway? Yeah that’s what I thought.
GMAFB
In all seriousness though please explain to me how having global operation experience prevents bending metal on landing or deviating from a simple hold short clearance after landing and crossing an active runway? Yeah that’s what I thought.
08-04-2023, 04:25 PM
#173
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Don’t knock pilots from companies like Atlas or Kalitta. They see more abnormal stuff in a 16 day trip than most people see in a career. I’m exaggerating of course, but they regularly go to places that most people have never heard of with little to no support while carrying tons of hazmat or military payloads that limit their divert options. They are very well prepared when getting to a legacy that has support everywhere they go and spoon feeds their training. Even NB fleets at a legacy involves lots of international flying. They are better prepared for what we do than some guy who banged around domestically in a rj.
08-04-2023, 05:05 PM
#174
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Don’t knock pilots from companies like Atlas or Kalitta. They see more abnormal stuff in a 16 day trip than most people see in a career. I’m exaggerating of course, but they regularly go to places that most people have never heard of with little to no support while carrying tons of hazmat or military payloads that limit their divert options. They are very well prepared when getting to a legacy that has support everywhere they go and spoon feeds their training. Even NB fleets at a legacy involves lots of international flying. They are better prepared for what we do than some guy who banged around domestically in a rj.
08-04-2023, 05:19 PM
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Don’t knock pilots from companies like Atlas or Kalitta. They see more abnormal stuff in a 16 day trip than most people see in a career. I’m exaggerating of course, but they regularly go to places that most people have never heard of with little to no support while carrying tons of hazmat or military payloads that limit their divert options. They are very well prepared when getting to a legacy that has support everywhere they go and spoon feeds their training. Even NB fleets at a legacy involves lots of international flying. They are better prepared for what we do than some guy who banged around domestically in a rj.
08-04-2023, 07:08 PM
#176
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Only you would consider flying across the pond for 12 hours picking your nose and watching the CA do the landing “experience”. You really do think you’re special with that Atlas “global operation” experience. I mean that’s some tough, skilled flying to overcome for a NH am I right?
GMAFB
In all seriousness though please explain to me how having global operation experience prevents bending metal on landing or deviating from a simple hold short clearance after landing and crossing an active runway? Yeah that’s what I thought.
GMAFB
In all seriousness though please explain to me how having global operation experience prevents bending metal on landing or deviating from a simple hold short clearance after landing and crossing an active runway? Yeah that’s what I thought.
Lol man, get lost…. You clearly missed the point of my post and the post I was replying to talking about lack of experience was the cause of the 777 UAS event…
No one here is claiming that they are special…
Last edited by Swakid8; 08-04-2023 at 07:34 PM.
08-04-2023, 09:21 PM
#177
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CUE. It’s the popcorn’s “cue” to make its appearance. You are not putting popcorn in a line.
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08-05-2023, 05:41 AM
#178
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CUE. It’s the popcorn’s “cue” to make its appearance. You are not putting popcorn in a line.
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08-05-2023, 06:51 AM
#179
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As a "top third" pilot who voted in favor of the PLOA I cringe when I read crap like this. No beach house, married 26 years, and no boat (or plane) for me. Worst case I would've gone from 320 Captain to Guppy Captain. I put a lot of thought into my vote and came down on the side of 'improving' the culture by hopefully avoiding having a lot of junior pilots screwed by the company. I've heard more than enough opinions/statements like yours to make me regret my vote. I only wish pilots like you expressed those opinions face to face so I could save some time and money buying you dinner.
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