767 Hard Landing IAH ???
08-04-2023, 10:01 AM
#161
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The blame for this 756 fleet hull loss, the last one (2019), and the 777 near miss of Maui can be squarely placed on UAL scheduling/ reserve rules- particularly global reserve/rolled days off that make being junior on WB fleets so unappealing that pilots on the line don’t want it, and it’s given to new hires. Often those new hires are the youngest and least experienced pilots at United.
First look at the AIP shows that Rolled days off/Global reserve rules are still present. It’s yet to be seen if any of the other reserve improvements will be enough to make widebody fleets desirable or if they’re still going to new hires. If things aren’t fixed, UAL is eventually going to kill a bunch of people. The FAA knows it, TK instructors know it, line pilots know it yet UAL management chooses to ignore it.
First look at the AIP shows that Rolled days off/Global reserve rules are still present. It’s yet to be seen if any of the other reserve improvements will be enough to make widebody fleets desirable or if they’re still going to new hires. If things aren’t fixed, UAL is eventually going to kill a bunch of people. The FAA knows it, TK instructors know it, line pilots know it yet UAL management chooses to ignore it.
08-04-2023, 10:03 AM
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Personality conflict in the flight deck combined with lack of experience in the FO seat playing a factor…
08-04-2023, 10:11 AM
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Don’t assume that just because a New Hire gets the a WB slot mean they are inexperience for global operations. We have folks who have lots of experience flying overseas and WB aircraft taking the WB fleet as a NH over the AB guppy. There is inexperience across the entire operation and we aren’t the only airline dealing with it as the hiring landscape has changed since Covid.
08-04-2023, 10:19 AM
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Don’t assume that just because a New Hire gets the a WB slot mean they are inexperience for global operations. We have folks who have lots of experience flying overseas and WB aircraft taking the WB fleet as a NH over the AB guppy. There is inexperience across the entire operation and we aren’t the only airline dealing with it as the hiring landscape has changed since Covid.
08-04-2023, 12:40 PM
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The blame for this 756 fleet hull loss, the last one (2019), and the 777 near miss of Maui can be squarely placed on UAL scheduling/ reserve rules- particularly global reserve/rolled days off that make being junior on WB fleets so unappealing that pilots on the line don’t want it, and it’s given to new hires. Often those new hires are the youngest and least experienced pilots at United.
First look at the AIP shows that Rolled days off/Global reserve rules are still present. It’s yet to be seen if any of the other reserve improvements will be enough to make widebody fleets desirable or if they’re still going to new hires. If things aren’t fixed, UAL is eventually going to kill a bunch of people. The FAA knows it, TK instructors know it, line pilots know it yet UAL management chooses to ignore it.
First look at the AIP shows that Rolled days off/Global reserve rules are still present. It’s yet to be seen if any of the other reserve improvements will be enough to make widebody fleets desirable or if they’re still going to new hires. If things aren’t fixed, UAL is eventually going to kill a bunch of people. The FAA knows it, TK instructors know it, line pilots know it yet UAL management chooses to ignore it.
08-04-2023, 12:41 PM
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100 hours of OE is extreme and people should be let go before it ever gets to that point. Under normal circumstances, if the pilot is safe and just needs experience and mentoring, you give them that. If they are weak to the point where their flying ability, judgement, or situational awareness is below standards, you have them removed from the trip and let the training department deal with it. Personally, I’ve never had anyone who I considered unsafe, however there have been a few where their lack of experience was very evident.
However, we are a long way removed from those times, and thankfully, except for myself, I think we have done a good job of hiring good pilots. The next year or so may get interesting though.
08-04-2023, 01:13 PM
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Yes, Dick Ferris and UAL knowingly hired pilots that were unsafe during the strike in 1985--because they would scab. I've flown with some--and back then with TK populated by SCABS, they would sweep it under the rug as fast as you could write safety reports. For many SCABS, TK was safe haven. They couldn't really damage a plane sitting in the sim.
However, we are a long way removed from those times, and thankfully, except for myself, I think we have done a good job of hiring good pilots. The next year or so may get interesting though.
However, we are a long way removed from those times, and thankfully, except for myself, I think we have done a good job of hiring good pilots. The next year or so may get interesting though.
Overall, I’ve been pleased with our new hires. There has only been a few people that I have flown with that had very little experience before coming here. All met the basic standard required in our training, but they didn’t easily exceed that standard like the more experienced pilots we have traditionally hired. With time they will gain experience and have safe and productive careers, I just hope that they realize their limitations and postpone upgrade until they are ready, not when a vacancy snapshot shows that they can hold the seat.
08-04-2023, 02:27 PM
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The blame for this 756 fleet hull loss, the last one (2019), and the 777 near miss of Maui can be squarely placed on UAL scheduling/ reserve rules- particularly global reserve/rolled days off that make being junior on WB fleets so unappealing that pilots on the line don’t want it, and it’s given to new hires. Often those new hires are the youngest and least experienced pilots at United.
First look at the AIP shows that Rolled days off/Global reserve rules are still present. It’s yet to be seen if any of the other reserve improvements will be enough to make widebody fleets desirable or if they’re still going to new hires. If things aren’t fixed, UAL is eventually going to kill a bunch of people. The FAA knows it, TK instructors know it, line pilots know it yet UAL management chooses to ignore it.
First look at the AIP shows that Rolled days off/Global reserve rules are still present. It’s yet to be seen if any of the other reserve improvements will be enough to make widebody fleets desirable or if they’re still going to new hires. If things aren’t fixed, UAL is eventually going to kill a bunch of people. The FAA knows it, TK instructors know it, line pilots know it yet UAL management chooses to ignore it.
08-04-2023, 02:31 PM
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This thread is entirely full of self-righteous chumps who have been huffing their own farts for way too long.
Who cares who it was? I don't think anyone, new hire or the most ancient of b00mers, would intentionally get into the situation. Be glad it wasn't you.
Who cares who it was? I don't think anyone, new hire or the most ancient of b00mers, would intentionally get into the situation. Be glad it wasn't you.
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