UAL grapples with F/O's not upgrading to PIC
07-25-2023, 04:36 PM
#81
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Final language will drive things, but even with the AIP there hasn’t been much shift in the appeal of being a 737 Captain.
If Kirby wasn’t so cheap and bought more airbuses instead of 73s there probably would be less unfilled CA vacancies, even with UALs **** reserve rules.
If Kirby wasn’t so cheap and bought more airbuses instead of 73s there probably would be less unfilled CA vacancies, even with UALs **** reserve rules.
I’ll take my awesome trips, awesome schedule, 20 days off, 1 or maybe 2 legs a day, and Caribbean and S America flying until I retire before I give 2 poops about a silly tray table and auto trim. GMAFB.
07-25-2023, 04:45 PM
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so dumb… everybody gets 20 days off and a pony on the 737. Nice job finding the extreme end of the bell curve and thinking it applies to basically anyone.
07-25-2023, 04:48 PM
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Well I’ve been here less than 4 years and on day one I still couldn’t have cared less about a tray table and auto trim.
07-25-2023, 04:49 PM
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DUDE, get a grip, take a breath, S T F U. All you do is lurk on other forums than your own and try to talk trash and dump on people and their airlines. I haven’t been on another forum for years, it’s all you do, pathetic. It’s clear to anyone with a brain that you are an insecure pus, have a tiny wiener and absolutely no self confidence, driving you to denigrate everyone else to prop yourself up.
Go away, peddle your inciteful nonsense elsewhere.
Go away, peddle your inciteful nonsense elsewhere.
but is he wrong?
I can say personally that I have seen a decrease in those coming through training with Captain (with a capitol C) qualities. More and more we are seeing those come through training for upgrade who have little to no PIC time in multi-pilot ops let alone 121/Mil PIC experience.
Now are we setting ourselves up for an accident/incident because of this, only time will tell.
07-25-2023, 05:02 PM
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Not. Believable. In any universe.
07-25-2023, 05:10 PM
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I can’t believe I’m biting on the airbus versus Boeing debate… But as someone who got fairly senior on the airbus, and still couldn’t find good trips, I can vouch that there is a disproportionate amount of desirable flying on the 737. I miss being able to pull out my book and/or sweater in cruise from my easily accessible roll-aboard… But the flying more than makes up for it. In the end, great that we have a choice.
07-25-2023, 05:33 PM
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My awarded bid in August actually has 6.49 hours per day I’m at work, and only 19 days off, so ok yeah. The pilots 10% or so senior to me are absolutely 7.5-8.0 hours per day or more.
07-25-2023, 06:42 PM
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Count yourself lucky, then. Even 2015 hires in EWR 737 FO aren’t getting close to that.
07-25-2023, 07:04 PM
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but is he wrong?
I can say personally that I have seen a decrease in those coming through training with Captain (with a capitol C) qualities. More and more we are seeing those come through training for upgrade who have little to no PIC time in multi-pilot ops let alone 121/Mil PIC experience.
Now are we setting ourselves up for an accident/incident because of this, only time will tell.
I can say personally that I have seen a decrease in those coming through training with Captain (with a capitol C) qualities. More and more we are seeing those come through training for upgrade who have little to no PIC time in multi-pilot ops let alone 121/Mil PIC experience.
Now are we setting ourselves up for an accident/incident because of this, only time will tell.
On top of that, the upgrade dynamics are a bit different at all three carriers due to work rules and qol issues.
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