DarkSideMoon

Oh it’s definitely something the company wanted, but historically the 5/10/15 year upgrade has been the norm and the company wouldn’t care about offering upgrades to new hires. I firmly believe in 5-10 years that will also be true. Which means we’re selling them this paragraph in the contract for what is likely the highest price we’re going to get.

89Pistons

Looking forward to seeing the final language. Cashing in chips = giving a concession. Sounds dirty. Like the add pay schemes many of us had problems with in Tumi. Was surprised to see so many schemes show up again. Hopefully we didn't "cash" too many chips. Giving things that will have no chance of getting them back to the table in the future for those of us that will be here past 2028.

fanaticalflyer

It's pretty tough for a reserve to pick up a PP trip. They can't just pick it up. They have to call CS to get it. You might have seen some SFO commuters on VDO get a trip, but that's few and far between at other bases across all fleets. For someone that says they spend a lot of time on reserves, and can't recommend any true reserve fixes, really negates what you have to say, since you apparently don't understand the weakness of being on reserve.

Having more days off is the first thing that needed to be done, so looks like we will have one more day off. Why, because you can now bid all weekends off in a 5 weekend month, which you cannot do now. Plus helps with days of reserve blocks on and still getting more weekends off as a global reserve. This impacts MPG, and in certain months you will get paid 77 hours of MPG, with the higher reserve day pay increased to 4:33? from 4:03:03.

Being able to bid for only long calls is huge. Plus if you do bid for SCs, do voluntary FSB or early starts, you can get much higher MPG that can take you over 80 hours. Plus every unused SC you get credit for.

I'm waiting for the details on exactly how much each month for MPG is but that helps the pay disparity if you can't break minimum. The new reserve rules will help with commuting as well.

I think we have a lot of reasons that someone might bid reserve now.

Andy

The reason I say that is because I've read some reserve 'fixes' that I disagreed with, and some of the changes I'd like to see would agitate others. This isn't a one size fits all world.
Yes, reserve sucks. But a lot of fixes I've read are either ones that the company will want givebacks in other areas or are ones that fit for some but not others.

The devil's in the details. We've seen all of the 'good' stuff in the AIP. There will be plenty of less desirable changes when we read the TA.

DarkSideMoon

I respect your opinion but to me it’s a concession that will be worthless in 5 years. Might as well squeeze some blood out of that stone now. There will be more chips in the future and the value of the chips both sides hold will also change. Holistically I like the AIP as long as the TA language is good.

And, like a lot of things, whether or not it’s a concession really depends on how you look at it. I’m sure there are new hires that will be thrilled to immediately hold a left seat bid. People willingly take it at Delta.

AbjectFutility

I think it's fair to assume that after United Next there won't be another growth spurt... I'll put my money on a light-moderate contraction in 5-10 years. A lot of tunes will change about QoL vs work when that happens. Unfilled Captain vacancies? Fuggediboutit.... noddachance.

Spfh

With the expansion in mind, and the new AIP coming out, what are best guesses for upgrade time moving forward? Where were they at just pre-Covid for NBCA? I realize this is a bit of a “how longs a piece of string” type question! With the expansion happening are they likely to stay under 5 years for a while? Thanks.

Brickfire

Likely to stay under 5 years? Yes

Someone is always gonna be on reserve Christmas and holidays and I suspect that position in coastal bases won’t go senior anytime soon

Wouldn’t be surprised at a very steep gradient to the g-line

Otterbox

Final language will drive things, but even with the AIP there hasn’t been much shift in the appeal of being a 737 Captain.

If Kirby wasn’t so cheap and bought more airbuses instead of 73s there probably would be less unfilled CA vacancies, even with UALs **** reserve rules.

TFAYD

it’s more than 5 years to the g line today in most bases