UAL grapples with F/O's not upgrading to PIC
07-19-2023, 04:25 AM
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I gotta admit...I know it closes soon, but I'm really wrestling with bidding CA or not on this one. Commuting to an 80+ hour line, I figure I may as well commute to 2x+ the pay on reserve. It's pretty much the same days off. Though waiting for PS commute would be nice.
Or.....stick it out on the NB FO line? Or try WBFO (flirting with G line, but not guaranteed).
Ugh.
Or.....stick it out on the NB FO line? Or try WBFO (flirting with G line, but not guaranteed).
Ugh.
07-19-2023, 04:42 AM
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I know two folks that did what you describe. Single guys in base that were crushed on reserve when they did it. There is a lot more turmoil on NB reserve. I know it’s your first contract…you have no idea when the implementation of the new rules will be at this point. Commuting to the current rules with a family, etc., no way, man.
07-19-2023, 04:48 AM
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If the guy can sleep in a middle seat in E- (he's already stated that he's a commuter), he can likely sleep in a 777-200 'coffin' bunk. I was simply asking the limits of his ability to get rest on a plane.
Since you're a WB FO, you should know that the crewmembers who have the most difficulty on WBs are the ones that can't sleep during their rest periods. That's a bigger problem for crews IMHO than not adjusting to different time zones. Have you never flown with a crewmember who can't get rest on a longhaul?
07-19-2023, 04:52 AM
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I know two folks that did what you describe. Single guys in base that were crushed on reserve when they did it. There is a lot more turmoil on NB reserve. I know it’s your first contract…you have no idea when the implementation of the new rules will be at this point. Commuting to the current rules with a family, etc., no way, man.
07-19-2023, 05:06 AM
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You're going down the wrong rabbit hole.
If the guy can sleep in a middle seat in E- (he's already stated that he's a commuter), he can likely sleep in a 777-200 'coffin' bunk. I was simply asking the limits of his ability to get rest on a plane.
Since you're a WB FO, you should know that the crewmembers who have the most difficulty on WBs are the ones that can't sleep during their rest periods. That's a bigger problem for crews IMHO than not adjusting to different time zones. Have you never flown with a crewmember who can't get rest on a longhaul?
If the guy can sleep in a middle seat in E- (he's already stated that he's a commuter), he can likely sleep in a 777-200 'coffin' bunk. I was simply asking the limits of his ability to get rest on a plane.
Since you're a WB FO, you should know that the crewmembers who have the most difficulty on WBs are the ones that can't sleep during their rest periods. That's a bigger problem for crews IMHO than not adjusting to different time zones. Have you never flown with a crewmember who can't get rest on a longhaul?
07-19-2023, 05:34 AM
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I know two folks that did what you describe. Single guys in base that were crushed on reserve when they did it. There is a lot more turmoil on NB reserve. I know it’s your first contract…you have no idea when the implementation of the new rules will be at this point. Commuting to the current rules with a family, etc., no way, man.
I’ll wait and see.
07-19-2023, 05:37 AM
#28
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No, not at all. I could see where you took it wrong, but I wanted to see whether or not the guy can sleep anywhere on a plane. If he can, not an issue.
And personally, I'd go WB FO reserve over NB CA reserve.
This really is two different companies. WB is MUCH more gentlemanly than NB.
And personally, I'd go WB FO reserve over NB CA reserve.
This really is two different companies. WB is MUCH more gentlemanly than NB.
07-19-2023, 06:41 AM
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I mean for what it’s worth, I don’t think CA reserve is that bad if you live in base. I’m not very senior and I’ve been able to get the reserve schedule that I ask for. If you’re not on board with being called to short call or FSB it’s not too difficult to aggressive pick up if you want to avoid being surprised. I’d never commute to reserve for any BES.
07-19-2023, 10:26 AM
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https://www.reuters.com/business/aer...ir-2023-07-18/
-bids for 978 Captain slots, about 50% of the total have gone unfilled
-Currently UAL has 5900 Captains and 7500 First Officers
-bids for 978 Captain slots, about 50% of the total have gone unfilled
-Currently UAL has 5900 Captains and 7500 First Officers
Didn’t the subject of the article take an upgrade on the last vacancy? ORD 737.
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