UAL grapples with F/O's not upgrading to PIC
07-25-2023, 08:20 PM
#91
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Supposedly over 90% of our WB CA’s are retiring in the next 5 years at AA, pending age 67. Obviously that will create a large amount of NB CA vacancy’s. While in training I heard from a reliable source American pilot recruitment has been emphasizing PIC heavily with their expectations of large CA vacancies in a few years.
Personally I plan on taking the first available upgrade for 320/DFW. Is that decision easier because I’ve already experienced flying from the left seat and built some confidence? Yes.
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07-25-2023, 08:50 PM
#92
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I was hired at AA in the early spring and very few new hires in our class of 60 did not have Turbine PIC. The majority of the ULCC FO’s had PIC time from their previous regional job. Heck even the “DEI” hire who beat the AA WO flow was a Captain for a few months. AA hires a surprising amount of Spirit CA’s btw.
Supposedly over 90% of our WB CA’s are retiring in the next 5 years at AA, pending age 67. Obviously that will create a large amount of NB CA vacancy’s. While in training I heard from a reliable source American pilot recruitment has been emphasizing PIC heavily with their expectations of large CA vacancies in a few years.
Personally I plan on taking the first available upgrade for 320/DFW. Is that decision easier because I’ve already experienced flying from the left seat and built some confidence? Yes.
Supposedly over 90% of our WB CA’s are retiring in the next 5 years at AA, pending age 67. Obviously that will create a large amount of NB CA vacancy’s. While in training I heard from a reliable source American pilot recruitment has been emphasizing PIC heavily with their expectations of large CA vacancies in a few years.
Personally I plan on taking the first available upgrade for 320/DFW. Is that decision easier because I’ve already experienced flying from the left seat and built some confidence? Yes.
My new hire class had a very similar number for folks with “T-PIC” experience. But AA also hires their share of non-PIC folks as well. I am just highlighting the fact that United isn’t only carrier hiring folks with command experience at this point. AA, DL, WN, UA are hiring from the same pool of candidates. That’s the point I am trying to make.
07-25-2023, 09:00 PM
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Because the whole point of the comment was that this person would not have been a new hire had it not been for DEI considerations and yet despite being hired through DEI bypass of the flow, they still managed to have TPIC time.
07-25-2023, 09:02 PM
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My new hire class had a very similar number for folks with “T-PIC” experience. But AA also hires their share of non-PIC folks as well. I am just highlighting the fact that United isn’t only carrier hiring folks with command experience at this point. AA, DL, WN, UA are hiring from the same pool of candidates. That’s the point I am trying to make.
To illustrate, I read United had six new hires the age of 23 in a class recently? We had a 23 year old new hire not that long ago at AA too. You know why it was such a big deal? Because they’ll be retiring #1.
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07-25-2023, 09:40 PM
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My new hire class had a very similar number for folks with “T-PIC” experience. But AA also hires their share of non-PIC folks as well. I am just highlighting the fact that United isn’t only carrier hiring folks with command experience at this point. AA, DL, WN, UA are hiring from the same pool of candidates. That’s the point I am trying to make.
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07-25-2023, 09:54 PM
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Yeah highly unlikely anything you’re saying is accurate. Your an Atlas hire with no TPIC and no college degree. You come on APC in denial every single time to defend United’s hiring practices. Delta and American might hire somebody that has those same stats once in a blue moon, but nobody does it more frequently than United. Why don’t you just embrace it buddy? Instead you pathetically attempt to make claims that everyone else has stooped to United’s hiring standards.
07-25-2023, 09:58 PM
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07-25-2023, 10:05 PM
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IDK… I interviewed with DL and WN as well. The pool was just different in each interview group. Just because each airline has a relatively similar pool doesn’t equate to similar applicants being invited to interview.
To illustrate, I read United had six new hires the age of 23 in a class recently? We had a 23 year old new hire not that long ago at AA too. You know why it was such a big deal? Because they’ll be retiring #1.
IDK… I interviewed with DL and WN as well. The pool was just different in each interview group. Just because each airline has a relatively similar pool doesn’t equate to similar applicants being invited to interview.
To illustrate, I read United had six new hires the age of 23 in a class recently? We had a 23 year old new hire not that long ago at AA too. You know why it was such a big deal? Because they’ll be retiring #1.
07-26-2023, 04:14 AM
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wait….you’ve been here 4 years and have 19 days off and productive island flying? Not believable. I’ve been here 10 and can’t get more than 15 off. As a matter of fact a 2019 hire is a U36xxxx employee number and almost certainly on reserve. Nice try.
07-26-2023, 06:29 AM
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I regard if you’re an FO….
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