Hawaiian vs United
07-17-2023, 05:31 PM
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Hawaiian vs United
Hawaiian got a wicked new contract in March '23 matching DL pay rates less 6%. 12 brand new B787's begin arriving this year. The new contract for Amazon Cargo with 10 A330's begins in Oct '23. WB upgrades are projected around 3-5yrs and beat UPS/FX pay with gateway cities positive space travel into CVG. Adding 450 pilots through next year. The seniority expansion will be 50% (with 1,000)! BUT Hawaiian continue to lose money?!
United new contract is a game changer and makes me realize they have the future in mind. If they hire another 4,000 pilots today expansion will be 25% (with 16,000). Will NB upgrades persist at 12 months?
What do you internet wizards think? Which airline would you choose?
United new contract is a game changer and makes me realize they have the future in mind. If they hire another 4,000 pilots today expansion will be 25% (with 16,000). Will NB upgrades persist at 12 months?
What do you internet wizards think? Which airline would you choose?
07-17-2023, 06:34 PM
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Hawaiian got a wicked new contract in March '23 matching DL pay rates less 6%. 12 brand new B787's begin arriving this year. The new contract for Amazon Cargo with 10 A330's begins in Oct '23. WB upgrades are projected around 3-5yrs and beat UPS/FX pay with gateway cities positive space travel into CVG. Adding 450 pilots through next year. The seniority expansion will be 50% (with 1,000)! BUT Hawaiian continue to lose money?!
United new contract is a game changer and makes me realize they have the future in mind. If they hire another 4,000 pilots today expansion will be 25% (with 16,000). Will NB upgrades persist at 12 months?
What do you internet wizards think? Which airline would you choose?
United new contract is a game changer and makes me realize they have the future in mind. If they hire another 4,000 pilots today expansion will be 25% (with 16,000). Will NB upgrades persist at 12 months?
What do you internet wizards think? Which airline would you choose?
07-17-2023, 06:39 PM
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Hawaiian got a wicked new contract in March '23 matching DL pay rates less 6%. 12 brand new B787's begin arriving this year. The new contract for Amazon Cargo with 10 A330's begins in Oct '23. WB upgrades are projected around 3-5yrs and beat UPS/FX pay with gateway cities positive space travel into CVG. Adding 450 pilots through next year. The seniority expansion will be 50% (with 1,000)! BUT Hawaiian continue to lose money?!
United new contract is a game changer and makes me realize they have the future in mind. If they hire another 4,000 pilots today expansion will be 25% (with 16,000). Will NB upgrades persist at 12 months?
What do you internet wizards think? Which airline would you choose?
United new contract is a game changer and makes me realize they have the future in mind. If they hire another 4,000 pilots today expansion will be 25% (with 16,000). Will NB upgrades persist at 12 months?
What do you internet wizards think? Which airline would you choose?
07-17-2023, 08:11 PM
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Currently don’t live in Hawaii. The new Amazon cargo contract is home based (20 gateway cities) on the A330. I’m excited about United. Just wondering what advantages I might be missing at United? Thanks for your help!
07-17-2023, 08:15 PM
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Sorry to chime in on UAL, but Hawaiian won’t top UPS in pay. Maybe hourly, but UPS goes to $376 in SEP and they get 13 periods of 75 hours not 12. So the rate maybe higher, but the pay isn’t.
07-17-2023, 08:24 PM
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-From someone who is neither at United nor Hawaiian
07-17-2023, 08:25 PM
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Hawaiian got a wicked new contract in March '23 matching DL pay rates less 6%. 12 brand new B787's begin arriving this year. The new contract for Amazon Cargo with 10 A330's begins in Oct '23. WB upgrades are projected around 3-5yrs and beat UPS/FX pay with gateway cities positive space travel into CVG. Adding 450 pilots through next year. The seniority expansion will be 50% (with 1,000)! BUT Hawaiian continue to lose money?!
United new contract is a game changer and makes me realize they have the future in mind. If they hire another 4,000 pilots today expansion will be 25% (with 16,000). Will NB upgrades persist at 12 months?
What do you internet wizards think? Which airline would you choose?
United new contract is a game changer and makes me realize they have the future in mind. If they hire another 4,000 pilots today expansion will be 25% (with 16,000). Will NB upgrades persist at 12 months?
What do you internet wizards think? Which airline would you choose?
07-17-2023, 08:26 PM
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The first one that hires you.
.With the following caveat .. Amazon has a tendency to move between contractors so they're unlikely to stick with Hawaiian long term. At that point, you should plan on living in Hawaii. If you and your family don't like the idea of living in Hawaii, then you need to rule out Hawaiian.
Circling back to my first statement, I would have my apps out to everyone. YMMV.
.With the following caveat .. Amazon has a tendency to move between contractors so they're unlikely to stick with Hawaiian long term. At that point, you should plan on living in Hawaii. If you and your family don't like the idea of living in Hawaii, then you need to rule out Hawaiian.
Circling back to my first statement, I would have my apps out to everyone. YMMV.
07-17-2023, 09:16 PM
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HAL provides some very unique options of being a 717CA in 5 months or a top 30% 717FO in less than a year flying only day trips. Or you can currently be a 330CA in less than 6 years, and a line holding 330CA just a year or so later.
I think you could have a fantastic career at either, but with everyone hiring you need to look at where you want to live. Plenty guys commuted the last 10-20 years of their career at HAL after all the west coast bases were closed. This isn’t the first time HAL has had a mainland cargo operation either.
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