Hawaiian vs United
07-23-2023, 01:30 PM
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HAL’s union wrote into their 2017 contract language that allows them to fire people. The current language that was included again in the latest 2023 contract says that a pilot who fails, discontinues, or withdraws from a training cycle such as AC qualification, CQ, Upgrade or Transition can be fired if it occurs 3 times in the same category or 5 total times during the span of their entire career at Hawaiian. ALPA is very nonchalant about it. But life happens. Be careful.
No such languages exists elsewhere. You have been warned.
No such languages exists elsewhere. You have been warned.
If you fail a specific event 2 times in a single curriculum, after sufficient additional training, then that is an FTQ. For example, you fail the PV, get additional training and fail the PV a second time, then that’s an FTQ.
Or, if you fail 3 different events in a single curriculum, then that’s an FTQ. For example, you fail the oral, get additional training and pass, then you fail the PV, get additional training and pass, then fail the MV. Then that’s an FTQ.
You get 3 FTQ’s in a single category or 5 FTQ’s total before review by the FTQ board and possibly being fired.
Also, life does happen and you can pause your training without penalty or receiving an FTQ, but only if you have not yet failed an event during that training curriculum.
Anyone who has failed to upgrade twice in the same plane and has 2 FTQ’s, then bids for the same upgrade position a third time, knowing if they don’t pass they could be fired, has a serious lack of judgment. If you have somehow failed four different training courses in your career, then you should probably quite bidding to change planes or trying to upgrade.
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