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Old 07-15-2023, 07:41 PM
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The pie we have in front of us today is leaps and bounds bigger than pie the company offered last year. Funny, but all the “pie is only x” boneheads must have seen the light now. We made them bake a bigger pie. Good work NC/MC/MEC.
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The pie we have in front of us today is leaps and bounds bigger than pie the company offered last year. Funny, but all the “pie is only x” boneheads must have seen the light now. We made them bake a bigger pie. Good work NC/MC/MEC.
We complain about lack of unity but can’t wait to call each other boneheads.
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We complain about lack of unity but can’t wait to call each other boneheads.
Well, since they only represent about 6% of us, I imagine our unity will be just fine.
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The pie we have in front of us today is leaps and bounds bigger than pie the company offered last year. Funny, but all the “pie is only x” boneheads must have seen the light now. We made them bake a bigger pie. Good work NC/MC/MEC.
BS, you’re the concessionist. If we had a real union the TA would be worth 20BN. We waisted our leverage on this?


The game you’re playing is zero sum and the best way to win is not to play. Why not read the agreement, vote your conscience and pretend to be in a union.
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BS, you’re the concessionist. If we had a real union the TA would be worth 20BN. We waisted our leverage on this?


The game you’re playing is zero sum and the best way to win is not to play. Why not read the agreement, vote your conscience and pretend to be in a union.
Don’t drink and post. That is all.
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Don’t drink and post. That is all.
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We complain about lack of unity but can’t wait to call each other boneheads.
Wait, where was the unity when our previous reps were saying “this is as good as it’s going to get”? Or, my favorite from my LEC chair, “we’ll get this deal done first then go right back into negotiations and get ‘em next time”.

Can’t make this stuff up.

Nope, unity only came back when we showed all the TUMI bozos the door.
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Wait, where was the unity when our previous reps were saying “this is as good as it’s going to get”? Or, my favorite from my LEC chair, “we’ll get this deal done first then go right back into negotiations and get ‘em next time”.

Can’t make this stuff up.

Nope, unity only came back when we showed all the TUMI bozos the door.
Someone gets it👆🏻
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Wait, where was the unity when our previous reps were saying “this is as good as it’s going to get”? Or, my favorite from my LEC chair, “we’ll get this deal done first then go right back into negotiations and get ‘em next time”.

Can’t make this stuff up.

Nope, unity only came back when we showed all the TUMI bozos the door.
The truth is 94% of us said “no, you MUST do better”.

Unionists forged ahead to remove incompetence, avoid racism, and be very clear about what a successful agreement would look like.

Soon we’ll see the actual language and have to decide if it it meets our requirements. If it does, what does the future look like for ALPA? What does unity look like?

There needs to be deep dive to examine how an MEC went so far off the rails. More importantly, we need to understand how such a disconnect existed between the MEC and membership.

That should have never happened and it’s up to each of us to NEVER let it happen again.

Those pilots who failed us should wear the scarlet letters they deserve, but I hope the more effective lesson is line pilots must stay engaged, not just when we’re negotiating.
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The truth is 94% of us said “no, you MUST do better”.

Unionists forged ahead to remove incompetence, avoid racism, and be very clear about what a successful agreement would look like.

Soon we’ll see the actual language and have to decide if it it meets our requirements. If it does, what does the future look like for ALPA? What does unity look like?

There needs to be deep dive to examine how an MEC went so far off the rails. More importantly, we need to understand how such a disconnect existed between the MEC and membership.

That should have never happened and it’s up to each of us to NEVER let it happen again.

Those pilots who failed us should wear the scarlet letters they deserve, but I hope the more effective lesson is line pilots must stay engaged, not just when we’re negotiating.
Racism? Dude..focus. That’s a red herring and a pile of crap. No deep dive needed. We showed the toddlers the door, and elected reps that cared about the membership ahead of their own selfish interests(Alpa presidential campaign). Pretty simple. As far as staying engaged, I agree with you there.
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