Latest MEC update sounds promising
07-05-2023, 11:03 AM
#82
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If anyone but very senior pilots upgrade they’ll be dealing with early shows, late releases, or both. I really don’t understand this fixation with coming in late for the first day of reserve. If you can’t pick up a trip or get to base in time, go the day prior and get a hotel room. Looking at the bid packs, those shy of the 50% mark get plenty of trips that are not commutable on the front end. Commuting is a perk that allows us to live where we want to. It also requires responsibility on our part to show up for our trips and be fit for duty. I’m all for a safety net commuter policy, but it isn’t up to the company or our fellow pilots to ensure that we get to work.
07-05-2023, 11:50 AM
#83
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currently you can be assigned something before 1000LBT on your first day of reserve… just depends if you are dumb enough to answer the phone and get “hooked”. I think what the new verbiage is trying to stop is ANY assignment before 1000 regardless of reason (phone call fishing, etc).
07-05-2023, 12:07 PM
#84
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currently you can be assigned something before 1000LBT on your first day of reserve… just depends if you are dumb enough to answer the phone and get “hooked”. I think what the new verbiage is trying to stop is ANY assignment before 1000 regardless of reason (phone call fishing, etc).
I'm not sure why people think this only benefits commuters. People who live in base would start later too, and guess how many more premium trips would be popping up if they couldn't assign them to a fresh reserve before 2pm?
07-05-2023, 12:16 PM
#85
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If you answer it's on you. There's hundreds of posts and documents about it. Adding different language for something that is already FAR protected is not an improvement. Every other major airline now is 1300-1400 day 1.
I'm not sure why people think this only benefits commuters. People who live in base would start later too, and guess how many more premium trips would be popping up if they couldn't assign them to a fresh reserve before 2pm?
I'm not sure why people think this only benefits commuters. People who live in base would start later too, and guess how many more premium trips would be popping up if they couldn't assign them to a fresh reserve before 2pm?
sounds like 1000 is the time going forward… should be 1400 at the earliest (14 hour notice after midnight)… But sounds like the union gave in.
07-05-2023, 12:46 PM
#86
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If anyone but very senior pilots upgrade they’ll be dealing with early shows, late releases, or both. I really don’t understand this fixation with coming in late for the first day of reserve. If you can’t pick up a trip or get to base in time, go the day prior and get a hotel room. Looking at the bid packs, those shy of the 50% mark get plenty of trips that are not commutable on the front end.
Having said that, commuters should take notice that in the last update the company has agreed to fewer working days for RSV pilots- which I think is a better angle to attack this issue from, anyway, as it benefits commuters & locals alike. As a commuter, you’ll alway be sacrificing some time that a local guy isn’t, but you’re about to be drawing that sacrifice from a larger bank of guaranteed days off.
07-05-2023, 12:55 PM
#87
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It’s true many commuting lineholders have to come in the night before or stay an extra night after a trip. If any commuting ever on a non-working day is a deal-breaker, you don’t just need to wait until you can hold a line to upgrade, but a good while after that.
Having said that, commuters should take notice that in the last update the company has agreed to fewer working days for RSV pilots- which I think is a better angle to attack this issue from, anyway, as it benefits commuters & locals alike. As a commuter, you’ll alway be sacrificing some time that a local guy isn’t, but you’re about to be drawing that sacrifice from a larger bank of guaranteed days off.
Having said that, commuters should take notice that in the last update the company has agreed to fewer working days for RSV pilots- which I think is a better angle to attack this issue from, anyway, as it benefits commuters & locals alike. As a commuter, you’ll alway be sacrificing some time that a local guy isn’t, but you’re about to be drawing that sacrifice from a larger bank of guaranteed days off.
This could also help lineholders close to the g-line if they prefer more days off.
07-05-2023, 07:55 PM
#88
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I like the way you look at this. Imo we should try to come up with solutions like this that benefit the broadest number of pilots. It’s a big win for locals and a medium sized win for commuters. Unlike spending negotiating power on a post 10am day 1 which pretty much entirely benefits commuters.
This could also help lineholders close to the g-line if they prefer more days off.
This could also help lineholders close to the g-line if they prefer more days off.
Later Reserve start time helps all pilots. Lets assume 12 start/12 release last day. Potential for more premium, both reserve and LH, assuming Add Pay is available for Reserve to take assignments before 12 in new deal. Commuters get more time, locals get more access to premium. I think that covers everyone.
07-05-2023, 08:13 PM
#89
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If you answer it's on you. There's hundreds of posts and documents about it. Adding different language for something that is already FAR protected is not an improvement. Every other major airline now is 1300-1400 day 1.
I'm not sure why people think this only benefits commuters. People who live in base would start later too, and guess how many more premium trips would be popping up if they couldn't assign them to a fresh reserve before 2pm?
I'm not sure why people think this only benefits commuters. People who live in base would start later too, and guess how many more premium trips would be popping up if they couldn't assign them to a fresh reserve before 2pm?
07-05-2023, 08:47 PM
#90
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Delta is 18 hours from the start of LC, so 1800 coming off a non fly day. You're correct on day one they can assign a trip or SC as early as 10am but it must be on your schedule by noon the day before and you only need one commute option if reporting less than 18 hours from the start of LC. Try and post informed responses or at least turn your caps lock off.
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