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Old 07-13-2023, 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by qltep
Is that what the latest email means? I don’t understand it

Totally agree. That message is really hard to decipher, BUT it sounds like the MC and CEO had an agreement and the MEC said no, BUT the MEC thinks it's close.
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Old 07-13-2023, 05:18 PM
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Even once we get an AIP - it still will have to be approved by the MEC (I believe DL’s vote was something like 9-8). Then it goes to final language / implementation which has to be approved again.

during Tumi - they announced the AIP after the MEC approved it for the next stage.

you could definitely read the email, and conclude that the deal is done - just has not yet been voted on by the MEC. I assume they will have questions and need to listen to SME’s and ALPA national before the vote.
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Originally Posted by FlyPurdue
Even once we get an AIP - it still will have to be approved by the MEC (I believe DL’s vote was something like 9-8). Then it goes to final language / implementation which has to be approved again.

during Tumi - they announced the AIP after the MEC approved it for the next stage.

you could definitely read the email, and conclude that the deal is done - just has not yet been voted on by the MEC. I assume they will have questions and need to listen to SME’s and ALPA national before the vote.
No, the MEC doesn’t vote on an AIP. They vote on a TA. A TA is already in final language and an implementation schedule already agreed upon. BTW, a resolution was passed that says within hours of an AIP, it will be released to the membership.
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AIP > TA
NC > MEC

What happened to the NC following directions and finding an agreement in principle? Then the MEC votes to decide if it becomes a tentative agreement?

I guess I’m having trouble understanding why the MEC would have a role this early before an AIP is announced?
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Originally Posted by DashTrash
No, the MEC doesn’t vote on an AIP. They vote on a TA. A TA is already in final language and an implementation schedule already agreed upon. BTW, a resolution was passed that says within hours of an AIP, it will be released to the membership.
I thought the same thing Dash - but I learned through union work that the MEC will formally vote to accept any final close out proposal, and thus to stop negotiating. In fact I thought the rumblings of a DL AIP were false simply because I had the same though that the MEC doesn’t vote on AIPs.

Like I mentioned, DL’s vote at the AIP phase was like 9-8 or 8-7, something like that, but then they accepted the final language TA nearly unanimously.
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Originally Posted by Rawhide51
AIP > TA
NC > MEC

What happened to the NC following directions and finding an agreement in principle? Then the MEC votes to decide if it becomes a tentative agreement?

I guess I’m having trouble understanding why the MEC would have a role this early before an AIP is announced?
The MEC is who provides guidance to the NC. If the NC (which the MC is technically the head of and who is currently working directly with SK on the final items) is close the can brief the MEC and get their guidance on direction to finish it out. The MEC will always have a role up until the very end. When the NC thinks they’ve come to an agreement based on MEC guidance then it’s an AIP. After that it has to be written into a TA and voted on by the MEC as to whether or not to send to the membership for ratification.
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Originally Posted by FlyPurdue
I thought the same thing Dash - but I learned through union work that the MEC will formally vote to accept any final close out proposal, and thus to stop negotiating. In fact I thought the rumblings of a DL AIP were false simply because I had the same though that the MEC doesn’t vote on AIPs.

Like I mentioned, DL’s vote at the AIP phase was like 9-8 or 8-7, something like that, but then they accepted the final language TA nearly unanimously.
The vote by the MEC to send a TA to MEMRAT is done only after the agreement is in TA form. The MEC I guess does vote to get an AIP because they are giving direction to the NC throughout the process.
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Old 07-13-2023, 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by DashTrash
The vote by the MEC to send a TA to MEMRAT is done only after the agreement is in TA form. The MEC I guess does vote to get an AIP because they are giving direction to the NC throughout the process.
Y’all just let me know when I’ve got something to look at other than airline acronyms. 😂
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Old 07-13-2023, 06:42 PM
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Somewhat cryptic MEC update. Apparently the MEC is still giving direction to the NC, meaning that there’s some part of the deal that’s not yet acceptable (or at least doesn’t meet current guidance).

Sounds to me like if the NC can meet the MEC’s direction before the regular MEC meeting adjourns, the MEC will stay over to evaluate and send it on to the AIP step. If not, the MEC will adjourn and we’re back to business as usual.

(Does that have enough acronyms for you Andy? 😁 )
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Originally Posted by Andy Dufresne
Y’all just let me know when I’ve got something to look at other than airline acronyms. 😂
Lol, yep. Prob another feign to get through the quarterly press release Friday without having to address the lack of a new contract. (Would be awesome if we dropped a vote to strike on Thursday) Along with the meltdown and private plane deal I’m sure Kirby doesn’t want any more negative press on the profits we are going to post. Promises have got him through over 3 summers already, what’s one more to get him through a week?
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