Go Back  Airline Pilot Central Forums > Airline Pilot Forums > Major > United
4th of July meltdown weekend. >

4th of July meltdown weekend.

Search

Notices

4th of July meltdown weekend.

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 06-29-2023, 07:06 AM
  #11  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined APC: Feb 2008
Posts: 19,704
Default

Originally Posted by Airhoss
Cute but I disagree that this has anything to do with this pilot group. This is 100% an ATC melt down and UAL’s inability to deal with it. United is completely overwhelmed. Heck they can barely run the place when things are going good.

Have tried to call the crew desk or the hotel desk?
Something is driving this at UAL. Yesterday 750 canceled flights and today over 300 already. Other airlines are in single digits today. No real ATC issues either day.
sailingfun is offline  
Old 06-29-2023, 07:20 AM
  #12  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined APC: Sep 2016
Posts: 1,957
Default

Originally Posted by sailingfun
Something is driving this at UAL. Yesterday 750 canceled flights and today over 300 already. Other airlines are in single digits today. No real ATC issues either day.
This is all a ripple effect from day 1. How many other airlines have an operation in NY close to the size of our EWR op?
DarkSideMoon is offline  
Old 06-29-2023, 07:31 AM
  #13  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined APC: Dec 2020
Posts: 556
Default

Originally Posted by DarkSideMoon
This is all a ripple effect from day 1. How many other airlines have an operation in NY close to the size of our EWR op?
EWR is certainly the Achilles heel of this operation. It was the same at Republic. A perpetual ****show.
Andy Dufresne is offline  
Old 06-29-2023, 07:48 AM
  #14  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined APC: Feb 2008
Posts: 19,704
Default

Originally Posted by DarkSideMoon
This is all a ripple effect from day 1. How many other airlines have an operation in NY close to the size of our EWR op?
Delta’s NY operation is the same size as United. Delta has had many meltdowns in NY but normally recovers rapidly.
sailingfun is offline  
Old 06-29-2023, 07:53 AM
  #15  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined APC: Aug 2021
Posts: 713
Default

Originally Posted by sailingfun
Delta’s NY operation is the same size as United. Delta has had many meltdowns in NY but normally recovers rapidly.
I believe priority is giving to jfk and LGA over ewr atc wise due to the number of international carriers going into there.
KnightNight is online now  
Old 06-29-2023, 08:07 AM
  #16  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined APC: Apr 2018
Posts: 3,258
Default

Originally Posted by DarkSideMoon
This is all a ripple effect from day 1. How many other airlines have an operation in NY close to the size of our EWR op?
Hmm... the best I can figure out off of Flight Aware is about 650 flights for UAL outta EWR and LGA. Delta has about 560 flight/day out of JFK and LGA. That's about 15% less than UAL.

Yesterday, UAL cancelled 191 flights out of EWR alone and DAL only canceled 27 total from JFK and LGA. That's a 700 % greater cnx rate on about 18% greater volume. If we were talking small numbers it might be that egregious of a disparity due to small sample size, unfortunately 191 cnx out of EWR is significant.

So, it might have more to to with something other than sheer numbers as I take your post to allude to as the biggest reason.


edit ....Sailing beat me to it sort of
Buck Rogers is offline  
Old 06-29-2023, 09:19 AM
  #17  
Gets Weekends Off
 
WHACKMASTER's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Jun 2010
Position: DOWNGRADE COMPLETE: Thanks Gary. Thanks SWAPA.
Posts: 6,831
Default

Originally Posted by sailingfun
Something is driving this at UAL. Yesterday 750 canceled flights and today over 300 already. Other airlines are in single digits today. No real ATC issues either day.
Frigging amateurs. Come back and talk to me when you’ve canceled 3,000/day like we at SWA did.
WHACKMASTER is offline  
Old 06-29-2023, 10:24 AM
  #18  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined APC: Feb 2008
Posts: 19,704
Default

Originally Posted by WHACKMASTER
Frigging amateurs. Come back and talk to me when you’ve canceled 3,000/day like we at SWA did.
I think Delta managed 2000 once! Honorable mention?
sailingfun is offline  
Old 06-29-2023, 11:18 AM
  #19  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined APC: Nov 2022
Posts: 240
Default

A handful of posters here need to stop insinuating that this has anything to do with the pilot group and/or the contract struggle. This meltdown has nothing to do with pilots or the contract.

If anyone wants to spitefully celebrate how the company we work for is royally screwing hundreds of thousands of pax perhaps that could be done in private.
three1five is offline  
Old 06-29-2023, 11:28 AM
  #20  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined APC: Jul 2014
Posts: 812
Default

Ewr is relying on commuters and other bases to staff most of its flying which has never worked well in severe wx. That along with pilots, flight attendants, and planes that swap every flight ieads to a nightmare to put back together. Ewr also has a lot of apathy towards its customers from iPad ordering in the terminal, filthy chairs, and a staff above and below the wing that is a number that isn't human. If only we would shuck and jive at the podium more to distract from those inadequacies.
Aquaticus is offline  
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
adamnwiest
Fractional
2204
09-14-2020 02:53 PM
FlightCrewTools
Delta
4
06-18-2018 05:10 PM
vagabond
Hangar Talk
37
06-18-2009 06:22 PM
UCLAbruins
Fractional
6
01-27-2008 06:13 PM
Baba Bluey
JetBlue
72
12-21-2005 05:47 PM

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



Your Privacy Choices