DarkSideMoon

Let’s just pack it up then. We’ll get the contract we deserve.

I’ve never met the guy. I’m judging him solely based on his actions, not on some buddy buddy “how to meet friends and influence people” persona some suck up pilots see when they show up to little hikes and soirées to get a glimpse of “greatness”.

RE the management team, Tumi was an absolute scam. Management knew how ****ty a deal that was. Look at what delta got months later. Look at what American immediately proposed. They knew exactly how much of a con job it was. I can buy that Kirby might have legitimately thought it was a good deal at the time based on his upper management. The fact that we’re still negotiating with the same lackeys that tried to hoist that concessionary contract on us shows he isn’t particularly interested in accomplishing the things he’s claiming (an industry leading contract, a deal in a few weeks). The fact that they’re refusing to even pass back sections for months is not a show of good faith. A simply misinformed leader would’ve apologized and cleaned house afterwards. Kirby did neither and is either incredibly oblivious/borderline incompetent (which I do not believe at all) or is well aware of this slow roll and is exploiting it for all its worth.

It’s the attempt at scamming us into a concessionary contract followed by 0 leadership change afterwards that leads me to believe Kirby isn’t nearly as genuine or honest as he appeared to me prior to Tumi.

hummingbear

If promising an industry leading contract in 2 weeks that he couldn’t deliver in months is a “misstep”, it’s a doozy. I’d go so far as to say surprisingly dumb. If that was “ignorance or simple negligence”, 7 months in he’s proving extremely slow to learn from his mistakes. The reality is, he’s no idiot & he isn’t new to the airlines- he knows what an industry leading contract looks like, & if he even remotely wanted us to have one, we’d have had it a long time ago.

As for NPS, I’ve heard little about that over the past few months, & I assume there’s a reason for it. I’d be willing to bet those numbers are down from the same time last year & trending further in that direction. Guys may not be bringing vitriol to work, but I think most are in “fly airplane, get check, repeat” mode; which is far from SK’s recently stated vision for this airline. It’s almost as if “industry leading pilots at industry lagging conditions” is an irreconcilable goal. If after all we’ve seen, anyone still feels they need to “wait for the TA to assess the state of our management team”, I’d question their critical thinking skills.

list

All talk. It’s the same as his ‘2weeks’ sound bite, just trying to keep new hires coming in, summer running smoothly. He has accomplished having to negotiate one contract over the span of 2, going from having to pay his pilots the most first, to maybe the same last, and attracting thousands of new hires for 2 years off words alone. Amazing. Delta basically lapped us as far as contract rules and pay are concerned. They will be negotiating a new contract over 2 years before ours will be due (if we ever get one) For any lurkers wondering where the best place to be over the next 10 + years as far as negotiated pay and QOL it’s pretty simple. Kirby has been talking about how great this place will be to work for years now, because apparently it’s working. Any current pilot here or applicant that still has stars in their eyes about how awesome it’s going to be in a couple years because Kirby’s promises is like a beaten spouse buying that, ‘it will get better baby, I promise.’ Talk is cheap, and is saving Kirby and United millions a month over his competitors. I just don’t appreciate being on the receiving end of such a relationship, to put it mildly.

Lenticularis

f yea i agree

RaginCajun

and DAL will still beat us out in Revenue and qrtly profits. Sad.

hummingbear

The plan was to pass DAL by becoming the brand recognized globally for providing the most customer-focused travel experience. The path to get there, it turns out, is to repeatedly tell us we don’t deserve as much as our peers & expect us to do more with less.

DwightSchrute

LOL. Filler

Airhoss

I think Baghdad Bob was taking strategic planning and speech writing lessons from Scott Kirby. Or maybe Scott was taking lessons from Bob.

Otterbox

Looks like UAL is now looking at financing some airplanes they already purchased over the last 2 years to raise $1.3 billion for this year for the pilot contract. Looking forward that would be about a $5.2 Billion over the next 4 years that they’re inflating via their costing calculations up to $8 billion.

awax

What?

Please show your work on this math problem.