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06-15-2023, 05:56 AM
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kind of agree. The difference between someone with 2k hrs and 10k is almost negligible. They’re guys with 10k hrs and honestly terrible pilots in either seat. There are guys with less than 2k who are really sharp. Hrs is a really poor want to judge someone’s ability and chance of success. Hiring lower time pilots is far from scrapping the bottom of the barrel. Half the people on the upper end of any company seniority list are made up of guys who got hired at 250 hrs. So yeah some humility would be nice and remember everyone was new at one point
No no no
Hours are experience, more experience more better..er
Now what I can say is the quality of the hours should be a factor, flying the same hour over and over isn’t worth as much as more dynamic flying, however it seems the airlines would prefer more 121 time sitting in the FLs to more challenging dynamic flying, but it’s their party I guess
06-15-2023, 04:55 PM
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No no no
Hours are experience, more experience more better..er
Now what I can say is the quality of the hours should be a factor, flying the same hour over and over isn’t worth as much as more dynamic flying, however it seems the airlines would prefer more 121 time sitting in the FLs to more challenging dynamic flying, but it’s their party I guess
Hours are experience, more experience more better..er
Now what I can say is the quality of the hours should be a factor, flying the same hour over and over isn’t worth as much as more dynamic flying, however it seems the airlines would prefer more 121 time sitting in the FLs to more challenging dynamic flying, but it’s their party I guess
generally speaking yes I’d agree with you that someone with 10 years of airline experience will have overall a better handle on things. But there’s still new guys out there who are just as sharp or sharper than some of those guys with way more time.
06-15-2023, 06:45 PM
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hours doesn’t always equal experience though and that’s due to the quality of hours. Idc if it’s 121, 135, 91 turbine or piston. I’ve flown with captains who got scared of landing flaps 3 in a bus, who got worried landing on a downhill runway, who almost diverted immediately when we were put in a hold. These guys had 8 yrs plus 121 time. You would have never known by the lack of decision making and confidence.
generally speaking yes I’d agree with you that someone with 10 years of airline experience will have overall a better handle on things. But there’s still new guys out there who are just as sharp or sharper than some of those guys with way more time.
generally speaking yes I’d agree with you that someone with 10 years of airline experience will have overall a better handle on things. But there’s still new guys out there who are just as sharp or sharper than some of those guys with way more time.
I agree that 121 time should be bottom of the barrel for working pilot time
But you get a guy with a good deal of serious 91 or 135 time, with no incidents accidents or enforcement actions, I’d wager he’s much more sharp than any 200hr wonder and probably many 121 guys
06-16-2023, 02:50 AM
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I agree that 121 time should be bottom of the barrel for working pilot time
But you get a guy with a good deal of serious 91 or 135 time, with no incidents accidents or enforcement actions, I’d wager he’s much more sharp than any 200hr wonder and probably many 121 guys
But you get a guy with a good deal of serious 91 or 135 time, with no incidents accidents or enforcement actions, I’d wager he’s much more sharp than any 200hr wonder and probably many 121 guys
06-16-2023, 08:39 PM
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imo personality and intelligence plays a huge role too. Some people just aren’t decision makers or leaders. You stick someone like that in a position that requires it’s and it doesn’t matter how much time they have. You can only rely on past experiences so much. That’s where I’m coming from when I say there are plenty of guys out there with low time that are more competent than guys out there with thousands of hours.
06-17-2023, 09:06 AM
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Total hours is a suspect meter of ability. 14000 hr guy who spends half the time in a bunk of a WB vs 2500 RJ guy or gal doing 4-6 legs a day in the crap weather… 121 landings or legs flown should be a better gauge.
06-18-2023, 05:35 AM
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I’m pretty sure that WB guy has a lot more than 2500 hours flying pistons/turboprops without a magenta line or autopilot.
06-18-2023, 06:05 AM
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