Reassignment/Pay for an AA guy.
06-22-2023, 01:43 AM
#31
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rolling into days off should be voluntary and heavily incentive laden if agreed upon . It’s insane that AA and DL have this and we don’t. There’s no reason for company to not roll into days off.
fdo off global fleet will just be changed to an RDO which can then be used as needed. I don’t see how that’s a win. We never had report before 10am that was something company wanted in tumi.
fdo off global fleet will just be changed to an RDO which can then be used as needed. I don’t see how that’s a win. We never had report before 10am that was something company wanted in tumi.
06-22-2023, 05:44 AM
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And if we're going to keep 10am on the first day still (wow, what a win; going back to what we currently have), can we at least get the 18 hours that delta has? 10am doesn't give a backup flights for a lot of commuters, and, as Delta specifically mentioned in their rationale for 18 hours; there's a deadzone of commuting time where you can't make it if you get called just a little bit too late.
To emphasize the last 2 responses, I am really not seeing a lot of wins I agreed to items. An hour of MPG is a joke, means if the company works you to 74 hrs that conversion was free. Add pay or bust.
10 am has been beat to death. Current book is not a win.
Removal of global FDO is absolutely not a win. It will become just another RDO which means it will STILL be a day the company can roll you into.
06-22-2023, 06:19 AM
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And if we're going to keep 10am on the first day still (wow, what a win; going back to what we currently have), can we at least get the 18 hours that delta has? 10am doesn't give a backup flights for a lot of commuters, and, as Delta specifically mentioned in their rationale for 18 hours; there's a deadzone of commuting time where you can't make it if you get called just a little bit too late.
06-22-2023, 06:30 AM
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add pay or bust, indeed. I had this happen to me. 75 hours (because of the million-ish unused SC I was given). Then I somehow barely broke that number, so they ended up being free. Sucked.
06-22-2023, 06:31 AM
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And if we're going to keep 10am on the first day still (wow, what a win; going back to what we currently have), can we at least get the 18 hours that delta has? 10am doesn't give a backup flights for a lot of commuters, and, as Delta specifically mentioned in their rationale for 18 hours; there's a deadzone of commuting time where you can't make it if you get called just a little bit too late.
We actually have 5/6am IIRC. We are currently 'enjoying' the rest limitations laid out in FAR117. Answer a call from crew scheduling on your last day off and you'll find out what I mean when they assign you a pairing that departs at 7am.
It IS important that we get this, AT A MINIMUM, into the UPA.
06-22-2023, 07:17 AM
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This may seem like a minor point, but the fact is that we DON'T have the 10am SC/noon trip report now.
We actually have 5/6am IIRC. We are currently 'enjoying' the rest limitations laid out in FAR117. Answer a call from crew scheduling on your last day off and you'll find out what I mean when they assign you a pairing that departs at 7am.
It IS important that we get this, AT A MINIMUM, into the UPA.
We actually have 5/6am IIRC. We are currently 'enjoying' the rest limitations laid out in FAR117. Answer a call from crew scheduling on your last day off and you'll find out what I mean when they assign you a pairing that departs at 7am.
It IS important that we get this, AT A MINIMUM, into the UPA.
06-22-2023, 08:41 AM
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This may seem like a minor point, but the fact is that we DON'T have the 10am SC/noon trip report now.
We actually have 5/6am IIRC. We are currently 'enjoying' the rest limitations laid out in FAR117. Answer a call from crew scheduling on your last day off and you'll find out what I mean when they assign you a pairing that departs at 7am.
It IS important that we get this, AT A MINIMUM, into the UPA.
We actually have 5/6am IIRC. We are currently 'enjoying' the rest limitations laid out in FAR117. Answer a call from crew scheduling on your last day off and you'll find out what I mean when they assign you a pairing that departs at 7am.
It IS important that we get this, AT A MINIMUM, into the UPA.
personally I want 0 negotiating capital spent on that.
06-22-2023, 09:12 AM
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DAL rolls reserves into days off. They have up to 6 golden X days that are scattered throughout their days off. Big difference here is that they can’t stack them in one block, but at United we have to stack ours in one block. They also have instances where they can be flown on a golden X day. I don’t know if there is add pay associated but saying DAL doesn’t have rolled days off is incorrect.
DAL doesn’t have different reserve rules for Basic and Global flying. They don’t have FDO, RDO or HDO- just X days (off days) and then days on reserve.
DAL doesn’t have different reserve rules for Basic and Global flying. They don’t have FDO, RDO or HDO- just X days (off days) and then days on reserve.
06-22-2023, 10:59 AM
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Sunvox-- you may have old information. It used to be that Delta pilots would have to send a message to say they are not extending, it was otherwise assumed they would. The FAA started asking why we had more extensions than our peers and as a result this practice stopped. Now when your duty is close to requiring an extension, we are asked whether or not we are willing to extend and there is no paperwork or jeopardy if we choose not to. At least in my short time here, the vast majority of Captains I've flown with have a default position of never/seldom extending.
06-22-2023, 11:17 AM
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We've had federal rule changes that opened up all sorts of shti in our contract that we then had to pay a premium to fix. Metal in the market....Aer Lingus anyone?
It's not just a change to the base FAR language that could upturn the lives of reserve pilots. What happens if the definition of notification changes? I don’t expect to spend much more time on reserve in my remaining 8 years, so not my fight personally. This needs to be locked down now, or that's a HUGE risk foe our pilots in the future.
So YES I do want them to lock in that 'protection' while it's cheap to do so.
It also seems a lot of us want even more notification than FAR117 provides, along with later report times. How do you do that without expending negotiating capital?
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