UAL MEC Authorizes Strike Vote
06-03-2023, 05:01 AM
#21
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Disagree. There was nothing real about the TUMI vote. The contract had been DOA for months & the company was already offering to make big improvements to it once it was rejected. There was no logical reason to vote yes by that time which made the no vote essentially meaningless.
A strike vote is only “symbolic” to the extent you understand the nuances of the authorization process, which I’m not sure everyone here does. In either case, the possibility of a strike- however unlikely- is pretty meaningful & I don't think we’ll get the same consensus in this that we got from TUMI. That’s just my hunch, though, & I hope I’m wrong.
A strike vote is only “symbolic” to the extent you understand the nuances of the authorization process, which I’m not sure everyone here does. In either case, the possibility of a strike- however unlikely- is pretty meaningful & I don't think we’ll get the same consensus in this that we got from TUMI. That’s just my hunch, though, & I hope I’m wrong.
06-03-2023, 05:26 AM
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We didn’t even get 99% no on TUMI & the union & company were basically endorsing a no vote. We like to tout that 94% as proof of our resolve, but the pessimist in me fears this strike vote could be a “careful what you ask for” situation, as it will be- for better or worse- a much more accurate measure of our unity. Will that be a number we’re proud of? I don’t know.
SK is certain to go right to the playbook & tell us all how close we are to a deal, & how unnecessary this vote is. That they only need a few more weeks to make sure they can get us the best possible contract & in the meantime this vote only serves to worry our customers & potentially hurt UAL’s bottom line & future growth plans. How many will fall for it?
To be clear, I support this action by the MEC & I really hope we get a strong, unified outcome. But it’s far from guaranteed.
SK is certain to go right to the playbook & tell us all how close we are to a deal, & how unnecessary this vote is. That they only need a few more weeks to make sure they can get us the best possible contract & in the meantime this vote only serves to worry our customers & potentially hurt UAL’s bottom line & future growth plans. How many will fall for it?
To be clear, I support this action by the MEC & I really hope we get a strong, unified outcome. But it’s far from guaranteed.
06-03-2023, 05:46 AM
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Disagree. There was nothing real about the TUMI vote. The contract had been DOA for months & the company was already offering to make big improvements to it once it was rejected. There was no logical reason to vote yes by that time which made the no vote essentially meaningless.
A strike vote is only “symbolic” to the extent you understand the nuances of the authorization process, which I’m not sure everyone here does. In either case, the possibility of a strike- however unlikely- is pretty meaningful & I don't think we’ll get the same consensus in this that we got from TUMI. That’s just my hunch, though, & I hope I’m wrong.
A strike vote is only “symbolic” to the extent you understand the nuances of the authorization process, which I’m not sure everyone here does. In either case, the possibility of a strike- however unlikely- is pretty meaningful & I don't think we’ll get the same consensus in this that we got from TUMI. That’s just my hunch, though, & I hope I’m wrong.
06-06-2023, 12:29 PM
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So if the strike vote intention was to make the public think we are striking, it might be working.
Had two relatives talking right now and one said he heard that United pilots are going on strike. They’re older and not very up to date on aviation.
Had two relatives talking right now and one said he heard that United pilots are going on strike. They’re older and not very up to date on aviation.
06-06-2023, 09:03 PM
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Looking back at the TUMI vote, I had a real problem trying to square that 6% of our pilots voted yes for that. I think there were some legitimate yes voters (I’ve flown with at least 2 that proudly proclaimed such…unbelievably), but I also think there were some early yes voters that simply were too lazy to go in and change their votes and left them as-is, knowing it wasn’t going to pass. At least that makes it easier to cope…
06-06-2023, 09:46 PM
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I’ve found a few. One was a die hard recession chicken little, the other was 64 and just wanted some rainy day cash before he retired.
06-07-2023, 04:21 AM
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06-07-2023, 04:28 AM
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Looking back at the TUMI vote, I had a real problem trying to square that 6% of our pilots voted yes for that. I think there were some legitimate yes voters (I’ve flown with at least 2 that proudly proclaimed such…unbelievably), but I also think there were some early yes voters that simply were too lazy to go in and change their votes and left them as-is, knowing it wasn’t going to pass. At least that makes it easier to cope…
06-07-2023, 09:01 AM
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When the vote finally took place the company was essentially promising to make a better offer, so you’d have to have some pretty overwhelming “bird in the hand” rationale for a yes vote to make any logical sense. Still, 6% under those circumstances was, in my opinion, troublingly high.
06-07-2023, 09:35 AM
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We live in a country where many political elections are won and lost by 51/49 margins, 70/30 would be considered a “landslide,” and we are pontificating at length over 94/6.
Delta’s contract is widely accepted as very good and it was a 74/26 vote IIRC. That makes 94/6 look…dare I say it… unified.
Delta’s contract is widely accepted as very good and it was a 74/26 vote IIRC. That makes 94/6 look…dare I say it… unified.
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