Are we closer than we think?
05-29-2023, 12:15 PM
#73
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regarding being closer than you think
fedex and the fedex mec were allegedly miles apart on their last sections last week. Then suddenly at the end of the week we get an email saying an AIP might be possible within a few weeks....
you might be closer than you think, or further away than you think. few really know.
fedex and the fedex mec were allegedly miles apart on their last sections last week. Then suddenly at the end of the week we get an email saying an AIP might be possible within a few weeks....
you might be closer than you think, or further away than you think. few really know.
05-29-2023, 12:26 PM
#74
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regarding being closer than you think
fedex and the fedex mec were allegedly miles apart on their last sections last week. Then suddenly at the end of the week we get an email saying an AIP might be possible within a few weeks....
you might be closer than you think, or further away than you think. few really know.
fedex and the fedex mec were allegedly miles apart on their last sections last week. Then suddenly at the end of the week we get an email saying an AIP might be possible within a few weeks....
you might be closer than you think, or further away than you think. few really know.
05-29-2023, 01:07 PM
#75
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Again, not what I said. You can improve reserve all day long as long as you make it so lineholders aren’t filling in the gaps where that capacity evaporates. We don’t get reassigned as frequently as Delta and that has been a difference in the approach to our two contracts historically. ...
… You like to talk a lot about FSB. So, what would you rather do (as a commuter). Commute in, sit a 4 hour block at the airport and commute home or sit 10 hours in a crash pad on SC and probably have to commute in a day before or commute out a day after? Also, what exactly do you think is the average amount of FSBs that one is assigned in a given month? I can tell you that system wide, the three month rolling average per person on reserve that was assigned an FSB on a NB was less than 1. So, what exactly is the huge improvement to be made by eliminating FSB? The only improvement there I see is to locals who tend to be the ones more likely to sit reserve and don't want to drive to the airport. I get that, but painting it as some huge travesty is just APC drama. The vast majority of us are lineholders and to give up our reassignment protection is foolish for what amounts to a pretty small gain in that aspect of reserve. There are much bigger things like SC/FSB caps that actually improve reserve the have already been agreed to and ending involuntary FSB has been agreed to as well according to our MEC's e-mail today. We'll see how that plays out on our reassignment rules. Be careful what you wish for...
You mean where we get paid 150% for the day of the reroute, and 200% for each day thereafter? And where if we transit our base we get released with pay? Those rules?
05-29-2023, 01:36 PM
#76
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Here's a thought exercise. What does the junior 1/3 of the seniority list think about including a funded pension (say...$80K/yr effective DOS) in the contract? What about increasing the retirement age to 67? What about ANYTHING that only benefits the top 1/3 of the list?
I've always been a big proponent of 'spreading the wealth' more evenly across the seniority spectrum, but IME I find it unappreciated from our newer hires. Every time i read that our reserve system sucks i want to yell NO FKCNG KIDDING!!!!!! Do you think I don't know that?? Unfortunately a lot of our pilots don't understand HOW we got here and come across as whiners.
05-29-2023, 01:40 PM
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Well, okay, but FYI, it sure comes across that way. Especially when you double down here:
I don’t really care, as I don’t have a dog in the fight. but I think it’s Interesting you think it’s either/or, and not both. AND that you wholly dismiss the locals who sit reserve, as if it’s only a few pilots. Screw them, right? If one thing should have come out of Delta’s contract for other carriers, it’s that you don’t have to make concessions to make gains. Maybe it’s just a mindset difference.
You mean where we get paid 150% for the day of the reroute, and 200% for each day thereafter? And where if we transit our base we get released with pay? Those rules?
I don’t really care, as I don’t have a dog in the fight. but I think it’s Interesting you think it’s either/or, and not both. AND that you wholly dismiss the locals who sit reserve, as if it’s only a few pilots. Screw them, right? If one thing should have come out of Delta’s contract for other carriers, it’s that you don’t have to make concessions to make gains. Maybe it’s just a mindset difference.
You mean where we get paid 150% for the day of the reroute, and 200% for each day thereafter? And where if we transit our base we get released with pay? Those rules?
But again, you’re missing my point and perhaps it’s because you don’t know the nuances of what has been agreed to and what’s on the table, nor our status quo, which you likely only know from APC. FSB, even as a local is a relatively rare thing if it’s being assigned less than once per month on average. Notwithstanding the impact on lineholder schedules, if we put a large amount of negotiating capital into that single item that only minimally affects people, but don't improve on open items that really matter like LTD, vacation, etc., the MEC is going off on the wrong vector.
As far as reserves acting as a buffer to our lineholder schedules, nowhere has there been a corresponding proposed change in our reassignment rules, either agreed to or open that addresses the fact that we will be losing that buffer in our protection that is the status quo.
05-29-2023, 01:56 PM
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Paid at premium pay AND if rerouted your next day goes into open time as a greeny. So more opportunities for green slips AND pilots released early after being rerouted.
05-29-2023, 02:15 PM
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Those aren’t all rules. Those are pay after you get reassigned. I’d rather not get reassigned at all. It’s personal preference of course, but I prefer not to get reassigned and fly the trips that I’m bidding on, rather than just showing up on day one and saying “well at least when they screw me I’ll get paid.”
But again, you’re missing my point and perhaps it’s because you don’t know the nuances of what has been agreed to and what’s on the table, nor our status quo, which you likely only know from APC. FSB, even as a local is a relatively rare thing if it’s being assigned less than once per month on average. Notwithstanding the impact on lineholder schedules, if we put a large amount of negotiating capital into that single item that only minimally affects people, but don't improve on open items that really matter like LTD, vacation, etc., the MEC is going off on the wrong vector.
As far as reserves acting as a buffer to our lineholder schedules, nowhere has there been a corresponding proposed change in our reassignment rules, either agreed to or open that addresses the fact that we will be losing that buffer in our protection that is the status quo.
But again, you’re missing my point and perhaps it’s because you don’t know the nuances of what has been agreed to and what’s on the table, nor our status quo, which you likely only know from APC. FSB, even as a local is a relatively rare thing if it’s being assigned less than once per month on average. Notwithstanding the impact on lineholder schedules, if we put a large amount of negotiating capital into that single item that only minimally affects people, but don't improve on open items that really matter like LTD, vacation, etc., the MEC is going off on the wrong vector.
As far as reserves acting as a buffer to our lineholder schedules, nowhere has there been a corresponding proposed change in our reassignment rules, either agreed to or open that addresses the fact that we will be losing that buffer in our protection that is the status quo.
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