Are we closer than we think?
05-27-2023, 11:36 AM
#21
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I came after away reading last weeks 10 page update very encouraged that we are getting closer. Everything big in that update was not a bridge to far to get an agreement.
Then again, there were many who read the exact same update and felt like we are still years away.
Crazy how different perspectives people have reading the exact same document.
Then again, there were many who read the exact same update and felt like we are still years away.
Crazy how different perspectives people have reading the exact same document.
05-27-2023, 11:42 AM
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Edited to add that’s more of a confirmation bias than an expectation bias.
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05-27-2023, 01:33 PM
#23
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UAL has a 20% pilot labor savings cost relative to its peers (moving as fast as ALPA will let them) and there’s a large percentage of pilots drinking the Koolaid. We have hundreds of new LCPs who will solve the training bottleneck (“thank you for your service”).
And you ask if we’re close? Something tells me you haven’t seen this movie before.
My guess is as the summer progresses, guys like you will wake up to the reality of what UA is pedaling and make a very personal, independent, and measured decision about how to engage with UA.
And you ask if we’re close? Something tells me you haven’t seen this movie before.
My guess is as the summer progresses, guys like you will wake up to the reality of what UA is pedaling and make a very personal, independent, and measured decision about how to engage with UA.
05-28-2023, 08:04 AM
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Voluntary Long Call Reserve lines where short call (SC) and field standby (FSB)
is only through aggressive pick-up (APU)
is only through aggressive pick-up (APU)
05-28-2023, 02:08 PM
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You missed the section about SC caps. Pretty vague, but I think that’s what they are shooting for.
05-28-2023, 03:26 PM
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ALPA is saying we are still far apart. Kirby and Gupta are telling our upgrade classes they we are very close. I’m wondering if the truth is somewhere in the middle and maybe even closer.
There is a large push for mediation and a strike vote. I can’t see a legitimate reason to hold off on that if we are as far apart as ALPA says and the company is not moving…UNLESS we are a lot closer than they are saying.
Why would ALPA continue to say we’re far apart when the truth is we are much closer to a deal? To keep the troops riled up. The UAL pilot group is soft and we need to be angry so we can participate in the picketing and to keep the pressure up. If the pilot group knew we were very close then I feel like participation and resolve would go down.
The MEC meets this week to discuss mediation. I guess we will see if my theory is correct soon.
Anyone feel the same way or disagree?
There is a large push for mediation and a strike vote. I can’t see a legitimate reason to hold off on that if we are as far apart as ALPA says and the company is not moving…UNLESS we are a lot closer than they are saying.
Why would ALPA continue to say we’re far apart when the truth is we are much closer to a deal? To keep the troops riled up. The UAL pilot group is soft and we need to be angry so we can participate in the picketing and to keep the pressure up. If the pilot group knew we were very close then I feel like participation and resolve would go down.
The MEC meets this week to discuss mediation. I guess we will see if my theory is correct soon.
Anyone feel the same way or disagree?
ALPA should have filed for mediation years ago and then thrown a strike vote. That’s the only way to take things away from company control to quicken the process and maximize the gains.
05-28-2023, 03:27 PM
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No, but it’s too lengthy to explain what global/basic is and what’s open on both, what’s agreed to, etc. Global and basic will still be distinct categories, but what global will be is basically closed out. Aspects of basic are still open as are aspects of FSB.
The summary gives a better breakdown, but you also have to have an understanding of what the underlying contract says to understand the changes.
The summary gives a better breakdown, but you also have to have an understanding of what the underlying contract says to understand the changes.
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