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Old 05-16-2023, 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by three1five
Sorry for the thread takeover but need to respond… I think short call lines are a bad idea. I’m a commuter. I just went an entire 30 day period without being assigned to fly and was only assigned to do short call 3 times. The rest of the time was unused long call. NB, not GUM. This was amazing and occurred on our current contract. In other months when I barely fly I don’t get converted to short call more than 3x either. A full month short call reserve line would have been nightmarish for me compared to this situation.

To get back on topic, I agree that we are moving at the speed ALPA allows and I don’t think that’s a problem, so long as ALPA plays our cards correctly.
Why not have both short call and long call lines?
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Old 05-16-2023, 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by SoFloFlyer
Why not have both short call and long call lines?
because unless the short call language is completely bulletproof (history tends to repeat itself…), there’s a real risk of unwanting pilots ending up with undesired short call lines.
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Old 05-16-2023, 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by three1five
because unless the short call line language is expressly and completely protected, there’s a real risk of unwanting pilots ending up with undesired short call lines.
Read the section of the contract pertaining to short call lines. It sounds like you are going on bad word of mouth or the rules regarding short call lines at a previous airline.
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Old 05-16-2023, 11:23 AM
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20-K-6-i The Company may offer lines consisting of a Short Call assignment on each work day. These pure Short Call lines shall be awarded in seniority order only to those Reserves who have requested one.
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Old 05-16-2023, 05:52 PM
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Pretty easy to figure out, really. He can afford to retire from his old job at United because he now has a new job at United. The company is still PAYING him, this time to toss grenades, hide around the corner until they detonate, and then survey the damage.
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Old 05-16-2023, 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Andy Dufresne
Sounds like a no vote. Easy enough.
If the reserve rules aren't on par or better with Delta, then I am an absolute no vote. SK wants captains to make his grand vision come to life, well then improve the QOL to where reserve isn't a punishment and they will come.
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Old 05-16-2023, 06:08 PM
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Originally Posted by ClappedOut145
If the reserve rules aren't on par or better with Delta, then I am an absolute no vote. SK wants captains to make his grand vision come to life, well then improve the QOL to where reserve isn't a punishment and they will come.
Reserve is only one part of the captain problem. There are more people not bidding NB captain who could hold lines than those who would be on reserve.
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Originally Posted by Hedley
Reserve is only one part of the captain problem. There are more people not bidding NB captain who could hold lines than those who would be on reserve.
like the 90 hour lines and every day is red so you can’t drop or trade. Every Captain I fly with says the same thing. About 25% of them are waiting for their 2 years to end so they can bid WB FO.
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like the 90 hour lines and every day is red so you can’t drop or trade. Every Captain I fly with says the same thing. About 25% of them are waiting for their 2 years to end so they can bid WB FO.
There are lots of reasons not to upgrade. My main reason was that I wanted to maintain as much control of my schedule as I could with kids at home so that I’d never miss family events and value was placed on time at home rather than income. I stayed a super senior 737 FO until the kids were on the way out the door. The next step was the WB where I was senior enough to avoid the trips that I didn’t want, but usually had to bid IRO to get the better trips. After a couple years of that, I found that the fatigue was just too much and I then bid 737 captain at around 60%. Other reasons that don’t involve reserve:

1. Avoiding red eyes
2. Avoiding non commutable trips
3. Bidding the credit range that you want, not getting stuck with what is left
4. Getting exactly the vacation slots that you want
5. The small difference in pay between WBFO and NBCA doesn’t justify the additional days on the road or the much higher work load.
6. You can bid better trips that are easy to advertise away regardless of reserve coverage
7. Former military pilots spent decades of repeated deployments, they have a pension, and want to make up lost time with their families.

There are others, but the coffee hasn’t kicked in yet.

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Originally Posted by Nucflash
Pretty easy to figure out, really. He can afford to retire from his old job at United because he now has a new job at United. The company is still PAYING him, this time to toss grenades, hide around the corner until they detonate, and then survey the damage.


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